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2-2.5 lift question

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by MAG GRY TACO15, Sep 13, 2018.

  1. Sep 13, 2018 at 7:22 AM
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    MAG GRY TACO15

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    Same crap everyone else got
    After reading tons of threads I thought I was set on getting 5100's and setting at 1.75 setting an being done with it. Then thought about maybe the 884or 885 springs with 5100 set at zero for similar lift.

    Then I thought, well if I'm setting them at zero, why not sure the stock strut with a lift spring like this kit would do:
    https://www.toyteclifts.com/tt3-05-toytec-3-lift-with-front-coils-rear-options.html

    Based on the price of this kit, why is it not a more popular option if your stock shocks are still good? (2015 double cab trd off road with 25k miles)
    Are the 5100 just that much better. Ride wise would the 5100 set at zero with the same toytec spring ride that much better than the stock offroad billies with the same spring?

    And if i were to use the toytec kit, would the stock rear shocks be long enough?

    Thanks. Kinda a newb here. Last rig was simple. front and rear leafs with 5100 all around. None of this coil spring/strut madness haha.
     
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  2. Sep 13, 2018 at 9:38 AM
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    You cant use those coils on stock shocks. You cant properly use the stock shocks to obtain lift. If you want to lift your truck, 5100s and the toytec coils are a good option. Or you could pm Marie @HeadStrong Off-Road and she will set you up with the best setup to suit your needs.
     
  3. Sep 13, 2018 at 9:49 AM
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    Same crap everyone else got
    In the description it says:
    • This kit will work with stock shocks
    Why would they sell the springs in a "kit" that doesn't come with shocks so one would assume you would use your existing ones and the kit not provide lift? Not trying to be combative, just confused as I was always wondering how you could just put in a longer spring on a stock strut and it provide lift when it will be compressed to the same length as the stock spring when installed. So I was under the impress the 5100's were longer thus allowing a larger spring (even went set at zero) to provide lift. Then Found this kit which confused me.
    Thanks for any insight.
     
  4. Sep 13, 2018 at 9:50 AM
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    I mean he CAN use the stock shocks but it is heavily advised against. OP you will cutting the travel of your stock shocks and cutting their life short, all while experiencing a rough ride. If you are thinking of lifting your Tacoma while maintaining stock shocks, you might as well get these and save $200 https://www.amazon.com/Leveling-KSP...id=1536857295&sr=8-3&keywords=tacoma+3+spacer

    You'll get your lift, and you'll save yourself $200 dollars, just don't try to offroad too hard or at all. It'll look really good, though.

    edit: cut down on exaggerations and here's an article to reinforce my argument http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/s...ew-springs-the-need-to-knows-before-you-lift/
     
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  5. Sep 13, 2018 at 10:21 AM
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    Same crap everyone else got
    Guess i'll just got the 5100's with 884 coils and set at 0, that should get me to 2 ins even after settling or should i get the 885's and assume they will settle to 2.25ish? Rear all (deaver all maybe for right now). This is all going on a daily driver that I want to keep mild. I already picked up a set of duratracs (not e load) 265/70r17 and order the fn fx wheels. I was going to stay on the stock tires and wheels for as long as I could b/c they were new but then I found the tires for $450 with only 3k miles on them so I jumped. Hope they won't look too small or strange after the small lift.
     
  6. Sep 13, 2018 at 10:44 AM
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    It is all what you want as far as rake and performance. I am not sure how much lift the Deavers will give you, but the Dakars are 2.75. If you want to maintain the factory rake, then i would go with the same lift front and back. Use that to determine the springs to order. If you add any weight, even a hidden recovery bar then it may sag or settle a little. My 887 didn't settle much though. Maybe 1/4"
     
  7. Sep 13, 2018 at 12:01 PM
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    • My bad i didnt read it right i thought it said it will not work with stock shocks
     
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    Send an E-mail to Marie @HeadStrong Off-Road. She will answer every question and set you up with the best option for your budget and use.
     
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    I think the reason why this isn't a popular option is due to the work vs reward factor. your going to have to rip off your entire suspension to put that stuff on.
    Your still only going to have the stock dampening.

    i just did a OME full suspension swap from Headstrong offroad. Couldn't be happier. Prior to that i was running levelers to get the front where i wanted it.
    The levelers were a fantastic fix for my truck and cheap until i could actually put real suspension under it. - this also was ideal for on road use.

    If i recall the stock shocks are good to 2.5" but are severely stretched.

    I was going to mix and match as you are looking to do to save some loot, but for the price i got my OME for it wasn't worth the hassle.
     
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    Same crap everyone else got
    Is this the kit you got? http://www.headstrongoffroad.com/store/p452/HS_Coil/Bilstein_5100_kit.html#

    It says "HS springs". What springs do they come with? Maybe as suggested when I have some free time I'll give them a shout and see what I can work up. I'm in no rush b/c my 265 70 r17's should fit fine under stock suspension and my fn fx wheels won't be here for another 3 weeks probably:(
     
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    I ordered a lift for my Tacoma! I got the 885 coils with 5100s, uca's and the 3 leaf aal! Planning on going to 886 later!
     
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    Same crap everyone else got
    What made you decide to go the 885 route and not 884? Plan on a front bumper? and why not just go 886's now if that is the plan?
     
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    Just going to switch out the coils when I get a bumper and upgrade the rear to Dakars! Really don't need the 886 yet
     
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    HS=headstrong. I have the headstrong springs with the 5100s up front. 2” of lift and it rides way better than stock.
     
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    Are you 4x4? If I remember correctly, the 884's gave me 2" lift on a DCLB 4x4 and 2.5" with the 885's on the same truck. Only difference is that you can get away without using aftermarket upper control arms with 884 as my alignment was still ok but just barely.
     
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    Its a performance and function issue. If you using the stock shocks, you will be adding a spring with a higher spring rate, thus making the truck sit higher. The stiffer ride will make it feel like it handles a little better, but will give you a lower-back jarring experience when 4x4ing, and will reduce the travel you get in your suspension overall. For looks, and to avoid the heavy penalty of spending a ton of money, that set up should be fine. Keep in mind though, that system will not be adjustable either. If you are thinking "I'll buy this lift, then get huge tires, then load my truck down with over landing stuff and people..." you will compress the springs, and the lift will be gone. This is why lots of people opt for the really nice kits that have adjustable coil overs and lift specific leaf packs that are designed to have leafs added or removed.

    I do think that everyone on here will agree that running a stiffer spring to get a higher ride height and an add-a-leaf is far superior to any block or spacer lift. So, if money is your limitation, we support the stiffer springs and add-a-leaf.

    The question that remains is what do you intend to do with the truck? Are you high speed desert driving? Rock crawling? Daily driving? Trying to get better handling? More travel? Or just a cooler looking truck? Combine your answer with your budget, and we will have lots of opinions on what to get.

    In short, nothing wrong with the kit. For someone who wants a cooler looking truck with stiffer ride on a budget, that is a fine choice.

    Also, the stock rear shocks may need to be replaced. I have not found any information from Toyota that suggests they are compatible with a lift. Saying that though, I did add-a-leaf to a Colorado I own, never changed the shocks, and gained about 3" in the rear. No problems for four years, then the shocks wore out. By that time, the front was toast too.
     

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