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2014 shudder issues

Discussion in 'Technical Chat' started by C1ph3r, Oct 9, 2013.

  1. Oct 9, 2013 at 8:41 AM
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    C1ph3r

    C1ph3r [OP] Well-Known Member

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    The truck is brand new with no mods. When i test drove it it had 7 miles on it. When accelerating from a stop there is a distinct vibration/shudder as the truck passes up thought about 15-30 mph. I have been really babying it as to try and break it in according to the owners manual guide lines. So if you accelerate really slow it's not as bad but with what I would call normal acceleration it's very noticeable. in higher gears, going up slight inclines at low RPM is seems to vibrate a little or feel strange. I am not a mechanic but i can tell when something doesn't feel right.

    Anyone else experience something like this? i have read other stories of the techs not being able to duplicate a customers issues when there is definitely something going on.

    Suggestions? The dealer i purchased from is a good distance away but i have some close to me. should i take it to the dealer i bought it from or the one closest? I feel the one i bought it from may have more of a vested interest in addressing my issue.
     
  2. Oct 18, 2013 at 10:02 PM
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    I have a shutter just after the truck starts to move. About 5' to 8' from the start. Toyota has tried to correct it several times. The factory told me it was "normal", then they did an other update and reduced the shutter, but didn't correct it. It seems to be worst on normal take-off.
    Mike
     
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  3. Oct 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM
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    I have 2012 TRD Sport Long bed same issues....Toyota had a TSB out for ....does anyone else know?
     
  4. Oct 18, 2013 at 10:51 PM
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    2013 Trail teams trd dclb....exact same issue. From what ive read here the past few months, we are not alone and there is no fix for it.
     
  5. Oct 18, 2013 at 11:02 PM
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    guitarplayer360

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    TONS of info about this issue...Recommend trying the search function.

    I've got shutter...became a little worse after the lift. But as far as I know it's just something we all have to deal with. There are fixes you can attempt, but none are end-all solutions.
     
  6. Oct 19, 2013 at 5:29 AM
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    C1ph3r

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    There is no way this is normal. Had a similar issue with my jeep and turned out it was the torque converter. This isn't something we should have to live with. Mine is getting dropped off at toyota this morning. We'll see how it goes. Mine is really bad from a normal take off going uphill. And I also have it when holding about 40 or so going up the slightest hill
     
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  7. Oct 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM
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    I complained from the first servicing about the vibration. The factory rep has inspected the truck and said it was "normal". After that they did a TSB0249-12, which is a steering dampner. Sounds like wrong direction entirely. Something they did along the way reduced the shutter by about 50%, but it is still there. I'm not sure what that was.
    Mike
     
  8. Oct 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM
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    Well I apparently have an amazing dealer. The tech noticed it first time out and said it is definitely not normal. They are going to keep it this week, pull a new truck off the lot and start swapping parts. So at least my dealer doesn't think its normal by any means and is going to attempt to fix. Thank goodness.
     
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  9. Oct 19, 2013 at 5:52 PM
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    Nothing at the moment, just got her with 235,000 miles. Bringing her back to beauty.
    Actually, for these trucks it is "normal.". I'm not saying its right, but it is normal. They tried the TSB on my 2012 and it did no good. I have since lifted mine and made my own improvements. I over torqued (way over torqued) my u bolts on the rear leaf springs to 90 ft lbs. This didn't fix the problem completely, but it's much better. OEM calls for 37 ft lbs which seems way too low. Good luck, but most of us have found work arounds or chosen to live with it. As mentioned, lots of information on TW about this.
     
  10. Oct 20, 2013 at 3:12 AM
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  11. Oct 20, 2013 at 4:45 PM
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    I've learned to live with it. One day I will begin to work on it and maybe take it to a shop to discuss some workarounds, but I'm just too busy to work with mechanics and dedicate my time/money to fixing it right now.

    It really is a burden though...wish Toyota fixed this after the first few years of the 2nd gens being out. 8 years of a generation and this hasnt been fixed?? stupid.
     
  12. Oct 21, 2013 at 7:21 AM
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    Why does overtorquing the bolts diminish the shudder? I had to replace me rear leaf springs and got a 2" lift in the rear and have been dealing with "shudder/vibration" ever since. I am certain that the vibration is coming from the drive shaft and don't see how re-torquing the ubolts will help. I'm going to do this but don't understand the mechanics?
     
  13. Oct 21, 2013 at 7:35 AM
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    · Aftermarket fog lights · TracRac G2 with extra tie down points · Bilstein 5100’s on the front at 1.75” · Scangauge · Rubber bed mat · Relentless tailgate reinforcement · Window rain deflectors · Back seat dog bench. I got tired of him drooling on the dash, nose printing on the windows and getting in the way of the side mirror. He farts a lot too but the bench won’t help with that. · 265/75-R16 Goodyear DuraTrac’s on Pro Comp 7089 wheels. A couple of the wheels took a lot of weights but they’re smooth all the way to >85 mph and then a little vibration starts. · I removed the back seat headrests. · I disconnected the key chime. · I added a wiper switch with the intermittent option. · A subtle Steal Your Face stencil · Removed badges
    FWIW I also found this while looking around.

    http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/6...12-tacoma-driveshaft-vibration-takeoff-2.html

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    I have a fix to everyones problem , ive found out how to fix the shutter when starting off and the vibration when driving . if anyone needs to know how you fix these aggravating problems . the fix cost about $160 bucks. buy 3 new ujoints ( i used moog brand ) , drop the center bearing down about an 1 1/2 and put shims in , bolt everything back up and your problem is fixed . the problem is the drive shaft angle . why toyota let this problem go as long as they are , its crazy , and they still dont have a fix for it . the ujoints are in a bind because of the angle . on these trucks , even though the ujoints look good while theyre bolted to the truck , you will be able to tell once you take them off . the ujoints take care of the vibration while driving and dropping the center bearing takes care of the shutter starting off . if you have any questions , just pm me .
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  14. Oct 21, 2013 at 9:27 AM
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    This is a pretty common fix...it makes sense.
     
  15. Oct 22, 2013 at 6:05 PM
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    Ok so an update. First, if there are fixes for this, why isn't everyone making toyota pay for it?

    Anyway, back to the update, so my dealer calls me today. They duplicated the issues on my truck and a few others on the lot. They are telling me now that it is "normal". So to trouble shoot it the removed the drive shaft, drove in 4hi and the problem was still there. That eliminates the carrier bearing or the drive shaft.

    Does anyone have information on what a dealer has actually done to fix this problem? I have tried to search but not finding any info on what a dealer did to resolve it.
     
  16. Oct 22, 2013 at 6:11 PM
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    Anyone ever tried pulling on your carrier bearing cross member it's not as solid as I would have thought. it can twist on my truck
     
  17. Oct 22, 2013 at 6:40 PM
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    Nothing at the moment, just got her with 235,000 miles. Bringing her back to beauty.
    Not sure, just know it helped me and some others I've read about. Let us know if you see any change.
     
  18. Oct 23, 2013 at 2:41 AM
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    Sounds like classic carrier bearing shudder in your driveshaft. I had a takeoff shudder--replaced the driveshaft with a 1 piece and no shudder whatsoever. Not sure why Toyota went with a 2 piece driveshaft--seems to only produce complaints. Smooth as silk now.
     
  19. Oct 23, 2013 at 2:56 AM
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    Calling it "normal" is bullshit. What they mean when they say that is that all of our trucks with 2 piece driveshafts have a problem. Accepting and living with it as "normal" is also bullshit. Please see post 13 above to make your 2 piece of shit driveshaft trucks behave normally. The dealerships and factory suck ass to not be able to correct this and it is because people just say oh well and deal with it. Complacency is what makes this possible. Buy a regular cab if you want to do nothing about it and have no driveshaft issues, it comes with one piece driveshaft.
     
  20. Oct 23, 2013 at 8:37 AM
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    This is absolutely bull. My issue is that they duplicated the issue with the drive shaft disconnected driving in 4wd hi.

    I personally can't get a standard cab due to the need of the 4 door. I wonder if the dealer would be willing to shim the bearing?

    Well my dealer is willing to replace my truck. Even if it has the same issue should I do that? I don't want to live with it. At least if I get a different truck it will be a different problem I suppose.
     
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