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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Dec 1, 2019 at 11:18 PM
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    The GE Megalight +130s are a great upgrade, but as the halogen output chart is post #2 of this thread shows, the GE Xenon +120 H11s are a little bit better. The Xenons have less blue coating which reduces output, meaning the Xenons are slightly warmer in color temperature and slightly higher in output. All the output intensity and color temp data are in post #2.
     
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  2. Dec 1, 2019 at 11:33 PM
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    More blue coating would mean the light is whiter at the edges of the beam pattern, but in the center, shouldn’t it be the same? (roughly)
     
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    I’m falling behind! I’ve got the Morimoto 2.0 Stroke to test still and the latest Philips just showed up from Japan today.

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    * Intermittent wiper mod * GE Megalight Ultra +130 low beams installed * Bed Extender (factory, dealer install)
    Are you testing these for use in low beam projectors or the fogs? Since they’re 6000k I presume low beams.
     
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    @crashnburn80 thanks for all this information.

    I ordered the H9 bulbs (link in post #2), lucked out and got German bulbs.
    FYI, my truck required trimming the top metal tab at the base of the bulb. No big deal, just a heads up for those going this route.

    Noticeable difference in the brightness!
     
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  9. Dec 2, 2019 at 10:42 PM
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    I think the insertion just comes down to technique, the H9s are certainly more difficult to get in, but with the right angle should be doable. Nothing wrong with trimming the tab to make it easier though.
     
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    It’s for sure about technique. There’s no variation from housing to housing. You absolutely 100% can not hold all three tabs flat against the housing and rotate the bulb until all three tabs “drop” into place as you can with an H11.

    If you fiddle around with it at various angles, you might get lucky and be able to force it into place. I’m not convinced that’s the best way to go about it.
     
  11. Dec 2, 2019 at 11:13 PM
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    Since I'm able to do it on a rack outside of the truck I have an unfair advantage. Being able to fully see the arrangement and angle the bulb accordingly it isn't hard. But yes, you cannot rotate the bulb flush and expect all the tabs to drop into place like an H11. It will need to be put in at an offset angle to get all the tabs aligned without modifying the bulb tabs.
     
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    This doesn't get a lot of airtime on here b/c it's not the most intense light nor does it likely have the same throw, but I'm back on these lights personally. I loved the H9s but the hotspot was actually kind of distracting to me at times, I got flashed a few times (and my lights are aimed properly), which just brings me back to what's truly important to me - illuminating the road and sides. These Philips Xtreme vision have a unique pattern based on the 15 different bulbs I've tried that's very balanced and even and it does have great throw, brightness, perfect uplight, the cutoff isn't as pronounced - the light kind of blurs at the cutoff making it less distracting when bouncing around in the truck, and is a bit whiter in color than even the H9s, but just barely. For them to be lower efficiency bulbs rated to 400hrs, these are now in my low beams and fogs and I can see perfectly. I suspect they are very well engineered to be able to put out as much clear bright light while also being a longer-life bulb.

    So personally I've basically repeated a similar process I did last year when winter hit. Got all excited to try a bunch of lights - tried the GE +130s, Nighthawks, Nightbreaker Laser, Philips H9s, etc., - all of these bulbs technically brighter as proven by Crash, but for my eyes I actually see landscape ahead better and more clearly illuminated with the X-treme Vision +100s. And it's bright enough to be a major improvement over stock, but not so bright that I find my eyes adjusting to intense light which then naturally leads to an inability to see by the ambient light outside the beam pattern as our eyes naturally adjust to brighter light and thus let less light in, impacting your "night vision" overall.

    I'd love to know why these are so pleasing to my eyes but I suspect it's just personal preference vs. anything that would test out scientifically as crash has done such a wonderful job of.
     
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    Those are the Philips I tried. They were not as bright as the H9, so they went back.
     
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    I certainly don't anticipate them being comparable to an H9, or even the Hikaris as their cross section isn't as small. But I am curious as to the performance numbers of a passively cooled LED from one of the big name brands in lighting, for those that want the LED look but without the fans.
     
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    Any news on the hikari 2020 vs old one? Could it be better?
     
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    They only updated the low end model, not the Ultra covered in this thread. If looking at LEDs, you definitely want the Ultra.

    I also saw them say they were raising prices starting Jan 1 2020. So if looking at the Hikaris, I'd snag the Ultras with the current 15% off coupon on Amazon now.
     
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    @crashnburn80, bit of a OT question. I like that pure white look, no hint of yellow or blue. Some places list it as 5000k, some 6000k, some even around 4500k. Which is it supposed to be?
     
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    Has anyone used these as headlights?
     
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    I Had the H4 version in my 06 Scion Xb for 5 years without issue. They were brighter than stock, and had a very good pattern.

    Philips got there good reputation for LED's from the H4 types. IMO.
     
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    The listing on Amazon which is sold directly from Hikari lists it as 6000k, I measured it at about 7000k initial output and 6650k stable output.

    Definitely don't do that! Philips bulbs listed as fogs are specifically listed as fog because they are low output, likely wouldn't even meet a headlight legal minimum for output and would be very unsafe to drive with.
     

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