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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Mar 8, 2021 at 6:54 PM
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  2. Mar 8, 2021 at 9:29 PM
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    Not sure where it’s at but there’s a dude on here who hooked up a badass custom headlight washer for his truck. Might be good for you and I living in Utah and Idaho with our crazy storms we get in winter. As for me, I’ve gotta run h9 because we get so much snow where we live.

    ps ss3 pro ftw in snow

     
  3. Mar 8, 2021 at 9:31 PM
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    jk here is the link https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/retrofit-headlight-washer-jet-on-tacoma.608877/
     
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  4. Mar 8, 2021 at 9:45 PM
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    Yeah those have to be aftermarket. I've seen lots of people with blue fog lights and it always makes me laugh.
     
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  5. Mar 8, 2021 at 11:54 PM
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    That is way too purple to be OEM, definitely aftermarket. And LEDs don't even go up anywhere near that high in color temp typically, I bet he is running 12,000k temp HIDs. Facepalm.
     
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  6. Mar 9, 2021 at 7:38 AM
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    What I'm talking about is the 2 low beam projectors in each headlight don't look like they are aligned to each other properly in each housing.

    Left headlight it appears one projector is rotated slightly off and is higher and to the left of the other. Represented in red is one and blue in the other. You can also see it in the prism type pattern at the bottom of the picture how they aren't lined up properly.

    V2 Left.jpg

    The right headlight has a similar issue but in a different direction.

    V2 Right.jpg

    Lining up 2 projectors in one housing is not easy. There will always be a discrepancy in where the step either crosses if they do not point straight ahead. IE if they intersect at 20' then at 25' they will appear crossed on a wall. If they are aligned so they point straight ahead there will always be a 3"-6" gap (or whatever the distance between the center of each projector is in the headlight) between the step of the cutoff assuming they are on the same horizontal plane with the top of the cutoff and rotation being the same between the two projectors in this situation. In this situation it appears that left headlight has one projector that is high, pointed left and slightly rotated counterclockwise. The right headlight appears that one projector is high and pointed right, appears the rotation is decent though.

    Below is what it should look like....roughly. Though this is dual RX350's.

    Quad Projector.jpg
     
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  7. Mar 9, 2021 at 7:49 AM
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    I think the easiest option if you are willing to open up your headlights would be to install a small blower fan inside. I think it would keep the warm air circulating just enough to help icing over at moderate temperatures, once below 0F I'm not sure. It could be mounted on the bottom side of the housing and exhaust toward the lens. However it may blow dust on the inside of the lens if there is any present, but there shouldn't be as they are sealed headlight housings.

    https://www.amazon.com/2Packs-Watha...er+centrifugal+fan&qid=1615304504&sr=8-6&th=1

    https://www.amazon.com/Gdstime-Brus...=1615304736&sprefix=30mm+x+30,aps,343&sr=8-14
     
  8. Mar 9, 2021 at 7:06 PM
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    Yeah, projectors should just face forward in a multi-projector assembly, trying to align the cut off step will mean one or multiple projectors are not straight and at extended headlight distances it will cause the light to not be aimed ideally.

    The drivers on the Morimoto XBs are external (main producers of heat), on the bottom of the assembly. And the projectors will be sealed. I don’t think there will be any worthwhile benefit ifit to adding fans.

    C39D79CA-5783-4A82-99AD-93CF6389DBDC.jpg

    Here was the halogen image from a significant snow event that froze over the headlights I mentioned earlier.

    16F2236F-FF2D-4BAA-8277-47C96C805308.jpg
     
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  9. Mar 9, 2021 at 7:16 PM
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    Hi all!

    Assuming my reading comprehension is up to par with my age (lol!) I wanted to double check and ask before I spend a boat load of money on bulbs :rolleyes:

    From what I'm understanding, we can run the same bulbs in the headlights as we can the fogs? (2018 SR5)
    If this is indeed the case, I want to buy "GE +130 H11" correct? As they seem to be the superior bulb with no modification needed. I appreciate the help :D
     
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  11. Mar 9, 2021 at 9:11 PM
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    Close, but not quite. Only the 16-20 TRD 3rd Gens can run the same bulbs in the low beam and fogs, non-TRD trucks like the SR5 take H16s in the fogs which are a low performance bulb with no upgrade options. For those you really want to replace the fog assembly, either with some used H11 TRD unit takeoffs, or go with an SAE LED assembly, current best are the SS3s. See this thread, and note the updated links at the top:
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/the-led-sae-j583-fog-pod-fog-light-review.554813/

    For plug and play low beams, note GE is now sold under the Tungsram label, not GE anymore. The Tungsram Nighthawk Xenon +120 are the best, followed closely by the Megalight +130. Megalights are a little whiter, Xenons are a little brighter.
     
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    Thank you so much! I really appreciate it and I'm glad I asked!

    So there are low beam AND high beam bulbs? Coming from a 98 Tacoma this is all new to me. Haha.

    The truck has 68k miles so if I'm going to be replacing lights I should probably do them all while I'm at it. (One of my fogs went out, so it's got the ball rolling).
     
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    With a little creativity you can put a H11/H9 bulb into a H16 housing. The question really is your time worth it? The light output was better than the stock H16 bulb but not amazing. I was stuck in bfe for a week babysitting my father and was able to make a set fit. I tried 2 different sets of bulbs and then bought some DD S3 Pro’s.
     
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    Yes, separate high and low beam vs 1st and 2nd Gens dual filament combined bulbs. Personally I wouldn’t invest in the stock H16 fogs with a bulb replacement and would look to upgrade the assembly.
     
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    hey all, I just got a pair of these recently. am i sucker? very electric talk, please explain in layman's terms
     
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    People will like their adaptive beam headlamps right up until they hit a deer. Think OEM lamps are expensive now? Wait until they have to be tied in and calibrated to a series of sensors. People with top-model Porsche/Audi money won't mind, most everyone else will, and as we see with the current array of aftermarket, there'll be plenty of cheap, poor performing replacements on the road. Unless NHTSA/DOT starts to get even more serious about IP theft and illegal/noncompliant lamps. JW Speaker has had an "adaptive" motorcycle headlamp (headlamp has multiple low beam emitters and optics that are turned on/off as the bike leans) and there's at least one chinese factory dumping their ripped off copy on Amazon for the past few years, with apparently not much being done about it.

    The author makes a humorous point about dropping off his porsche and letting them copy and measure to become convinced, but unless we revert back to a sealed-beam type standard for headlamps at some point, there will be lots of different ways to meet this 'adaptive' standard, whatever it ends up being.
     
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    Yes. That is until the cost of them drops as technology evolves and improves. Remember, at one point having lights that turn on (or turn) to show the side area while you turn the steering wheel used to be a luxury item. Now the IIHS won't even give you the highest rating on headlights without it. LEDs used to be ridiculously expensive and now you're seeing them everywhere.
     
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    Soo what the best bulb replacement and best plug and play? Looking for the brightest
     
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    If you don't want to trim the tabs on an H9 bulb, then it is the Tungsram Nighthawk Xenon +120.
     

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