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3rd Gen HID vs LED vs Halogen H11 projector headlights

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by crashnburn80, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Jul 25, 2021 at 5:24 PM
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    this is the way.
     
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    This was so helpful! Thanks for explaining this. I really appreciate it. Sounds like I'll be getting those philips

    Edit: was wondering if those philips h9s are just plug and play, like I wont need to modify it if I just wanted to put it where my standard low beams are. Ive already got h9s in my high beams so do the h9s just fit right into the h11 spot?
     
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  3. Jul 26, 2021 at 7:43 AM
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    You'll have to trim one of the three mounting tabs in order to get an H9 to fit. One of the tabs on the H9 is just a bit wider than the H11, and then you also have to grind or scrape off a tiny groove in the electrical connection so it will slip on to the back of the H9. It will still work on an H11 after though, so they're sort of but not really plug and play. You'll have to do the tab trim every time you put a new H9 but the electrical trim only once. And of course, wear latex gloves to avoid getting skin oil on the glass capsule, which will cause them to burn out much faster, as you're undoubtedly going to need to hold on to the business end of the bulb to trim the tab.

    Personally I found it was just easier, albeit more expensive to use the high performance H11's for virtually the exact same output - y'know - until I just replaced the entire assemblies with the 2020 Tacoma LEDs, which take your lighting to a whole new level.
     
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  4. Jul 26, 2021 at 7:47 AM
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    On the tacoma at least all you have to do is remove the green plastic piece and H9’s fit without modification.

    If you are type A, you can get H9 connectors from the link in my signature and use the yellow plastic pieces or even de-pin and re-pin if yours are older or damaged.
     
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  5. Jul 26, 2021 at 9:10 AM
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    This is how I am running the H9’s and works flawlessly. @daveeasa is the man for procuring those connectors!
     
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    Great read, especially for a new Tacoma owner looking to improve stock lighting! If I wanted OEM LED headlights, where would I look for the best pricing?
     
  7. Jul 26, 2021 at 11:29 AM
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    Check around different dealerships. If you can find one with a discount code or parts sale thats probably your best rout, then you'll need to source the adapter harness. Not sure whos making those these days.
     
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  8. Jul 26, 2021 at 11:50 AM
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    This is an amazing thread with a phenomenal amount of information... I'll be digesting all this information for some time to come! I love all the data and the non-biased presentation of facts. Thanks so much to @crashnburn80 for all his hard work, as well as others' who have provided information!

    :101010:
     
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  10. Jul 26, 2021 at 2:06 PM
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    No need to read the whole thread! All the relevant info is in the first 3 posts, though I do need to update with @daveeasa latest info on the H9 connector swap.
     
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    Thanks! Indeed I could tell you do an excellent job of keeping the posts updated and that is a huge +. Loads of information to digest and it was great to learn so much about lighting and sad to see how so many manufacturers ignore the issue of focus!
     
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    Thanks for the instructions. I would LOVE to replace my headlight assembly. But I cant justify a $1000+ purchase for just headlights to my wife. She would literally punch me in the face and call me a f*cking idiot. Which is understandable. One day tho. Im sure ill have this truck for a LONG time to come. Im sure one of my boys will be driving it in about 14 years. By then it should have some pretty sick mods
     
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    I mean, you describe my version of marriage to a T so what exactly is the hangup???
     
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    Lmao the punched in the face part. Wouldn't be the first time im called a f*cking idiot
     
  15. Jul 26, 2021 at 6:18 PM
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    Over the years, I’ve learned that wives have the miraculous ability to get over lots of shit they shouldn’t have had to. It’s amazing.

    But, that one time….. she’s never going to forget that. LOL
     
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    I hear you. I bought mine a new Forester a year and a half ago so I get no shit about whatever I spend, plus I put $20K into building a home recording studio inside my photo studio just so she could keep doing remote recording sessions during the pandemic, which now looks like it's never going to be over. The bonus is that I get to use it all day every day and it's made my guitar playing better, faster than any other method I've come across. As Steve Swan told me - "the microphone don't lie."

    I think that 14 years from now we'll all be driving electrics, your sons included, but hopefully someone will want these then.
     
  17. Jul 26, 2021 at 7:29 PM
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    Headlights are a safety component. IIHS rates stock 3rd Gen lights as poor/unsafe and OEM LED is given the highest score as the safest option. Remember it is for the safety of the children.
     
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    Absolutely, and one of the most important safety items on your truck. The problem with the IIHS tests is that they test them how they get 'em. Their fatal flaw is that they don't align if the lights are mis-aligned, which can often give a score more akin to a false negative test. In my opinion their rationale is bullshit so you can only assume that the lights that are rated excellent are also well aimed but not aiming the mis-aimed ones only give a false representation.

    The stock LED's are indeed wonderful and a far sight (pun intended) better than the projectors but put better bulbs and align properly and the projectors aren't half bad.
     
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    @crashnburn80 not to get off topic here, but recently picked up a 2004 4Runner which is preface lift with the reflector headlights. Any recommendations for 9005 and 9006 for the highs, lows, and fogs?
     
  20. Jul 27, 2021 at 7:20 PM
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    The 9005 & 9006 bulbs are easily swappable to higher output HIR bulbs that don't use any more power. All you have to do is trim an external plastic tab, see instructions here:
    https://store.candlepower.com/mohirbuba.html

    Stock 9006, 1000 lumens -> 9012, 1870 lumens
    Stock 9005, 1700 lumens -> 9011, 2300 lumens

    For the 9005 I'd go with the classic Toshibas, which can still be had under the ACDelco brand. Note that Amazon recommends a newer version, but that is not a true HIR bulb, so I'd stay with the originals. Sylvania supposedly has come out with a newer more advanced HIR manufactured out of Asia, but it can be difficult to determine if you are getting that bulb or a reboxed Osram bulb out of Germany. I'd go with the high performing ACDelco/Toshibas unless you can confirm otherwise.
    https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-HIR1...delco+9011&qid=1627438401&s=automotive&sr=1-6

    For the 9012, the most advanced bulb is the German Volsa 9012 +120 HIR. No other company makes plus efficiency HIR bulbs. Think of these as combining the GE/Tungsram H11 ultra efficiency performance from this thread with the higher output of the H9 bulbs used for low beam into a single ultimate bulb. I don't have a great source for these bulbs, but you can purchase them on ebay:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/174099096628

    Edit: typo on the bulb numbers fixed
     
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