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3rd Gen Traction Control Modes Explained

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by Doggman, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. Apr 24, 2018 at 5:01 PM
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    David K

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    Crawl Control is simply "cruise control" in L4 so all you do is steer. It comes only on the Off Road TRD automatic 4x4s. It has (as can be seen in the videos) a neat way to get out of stucks all on its own. My Tacoma is older and has A-TRAC without the Crawl or Multi-Terrain Select. I simply feather-foot the accelerator and can get my truck to climb out, if I intentionally get it stuck in testing (turn off A-TRAC so their is no traction control just two open differentials).
     
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  2. Apr 25, 2018 at 2:10 PM
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    I'm not really sure what the owner's manual is talking about with locking or unlocking the differential. None of that existed back when I got my first 4 X 4 in 1985, but back then, you had to get out and turn the front hubs if you wanted to put the vehicle in 4 wheel drive. I had one of the first ECT automatic transmissions, which I hated. Every subsequent truck afterwards, I specified as having manual transmissions. Now, it seems next to impossible to get a manual shifter on a 4 cylinder 4 X 4. Why, I have no idea. It's also next to impossible to get intermittent wipers ( have them now because I just installed them.) and cruise control, something that should be standard equipment on every vehicle out there and is on the Subaru Outback I looked at before buying my present Tacoma. I found the Subarus to have poor ground clearance, even though they think 8.7 inches is high off the ground.
     
  3. Apr 25, 2018 at 2:17 PM
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    The owners manual sucks in that it contains all the features for all the models and doesn't explain some functions very well. The SR / SR5 / Sport / Limited do not have a locking rear diff. Only the OR / Pro.

    If you were talking about the T case, it is a matter of turning the knob then waiting for the ECU to verify everything and do the deed. There is an automatic system to lock in the front wheels called ADD. The hubs are permanently locked with solid splines. There is an actuated collar on the right shaft that slides over to engage the front end. The diff gears and CVs are always spinning. The ADD just allows the ring and pinion to release.

    That said, this is on my wish list:

    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/free-wheel-hub-conversion-3rd-gen.513930/
     
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  4. Apr 25, 2018 at 3:53 PM
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    Thanks for the information. This truck is my second 4 X 4 in many years, and I am pleased that it is just a twist of the knob to engage 4 wheel drive. I'm not interested in doing too much off road like I did in my younger days. Granted, as owner of a horse farm, I often drive off road in wet pastures and my old 2wd model Tacoma got stuck quite often, remedied by me getting out the tractor. Last year's heavy snowfall made me want to get 4 wheel drive again because the wife and I got upset not being able to go anywhere. We had several weeks worth of food in the freezer so that was not an issue, but being stuck at home without being able to drive over and see friends got old very quickly. I am surprised at how advanced 4 wheel drive has become with the new trucks.
     
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  5. Apr 25, 2018 at 4:05 PM
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    Intermittent wipers for starters, just bought the truck 2 weeks ago
    I remember back in 1985, thinking that since I had 4 wheel drive, I could go anywhere I wanted. Wrong. After sticking the truck in a corn field up to the transfer case and having help to get it out, and then backing into a snow covered ditch in West Virginia and having to manually dig the truck out, I became quite humble and very cautious of where I took the truck. Since, I have my present 2016, and all the muddy fields I would want, I still won't run it through the fields, knowing what I know about the limitations of 4 wheel drive. From what I see in your post and those of others, with the new things, A Traction control and locking differential, it may be possible to never get the vehicle stuck, and if it does, get it out, every time. That sounds good on paper, but I will only believe it if I see it in action. Just color me skeptical, since I am an honor graduate from "the school of hard knocks."
     
  6. Apr 25, 2018 at 8:48 PM
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    I am also one who remembers when 4WD was one front and one rear tire spinning. I have driven 4WD Jeeps, Chevies, Subarus, and Tacomas (with the locker). My 2010 is the first with traction control and sold me as soon as I tested it several times after getting it.
     
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  7. Apr 26, 2018 at 7:02 AM
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    No problem.

    The engagement is much simpler, but there are times when the computer control can be frustrating, for example when you get a flashing 4Hi or 4Lo light for no apparent reason. Advanced doesn't mean better in all cases. It does make it easier though.

    We never had a 4wd / AWD car until my Wife bought a Forester. I was impressed how well that work on just pavement compared to our previous FWD cars. The Taco takes it to another level. I have been impressed what it can do with just the original tires.

    Even with these great TRAC features, you can definitely get stuck. I was there a couple weeks back in some melt snow. It took some time, but I was able to work my way out. If it was 2wd or AWD, I would have been shoveling for hours.
     
  8. Apr 26, 2018 at 8:14 AM
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    TRAC is the first level of traction control, sort of like "limited slip lite".
    AUTO LSD/TRAC OFF* is the next level or "limited slip strong".
    A-TRAC/MTS is pretty much like automatic lockers on the front and rear.

    *2nd Gen; 3rd Gen may have changed TRAC OFF in H4 according to testing here on TW.
     
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  9. Apr 26, 2018 at 9:18 AM
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    Like, so many.
    I don't understand half of what you guy are talking about, but I'm definitely glad y'all are on this board lol
     
  10. Apr 29, 2018 at 8:22 AM
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    I'm in there with you. All I have is some button in the overhead console that the instructions say to mash if I get the truck stuck in a ditch. It says Auto LSD, which I was never supposed to engage when I had my old 2009 2wd Tacoma. The way I understood it, I had auto limited slip differential as long as I never mashed the button. If I hit the button, both rear wheels would spin at the same time. Now with my new 4 X 4, it seems to be the opposite. I'm not messing with it, regardless. I don't expect to be driving through too many ditches, anyway. A good rule of thumb also is that even though you have a high ground clearance, stay out of high water, too. No telling what that water will do to the electrical parts underneath.
     
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  11. Apr 29, 2018 at 8:54 AM
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    I used the ALSD the other day. Pulled over to test it. Right rear on loose dirt, left rear on the road pavement. Pedal to the floor, heard ticking and squirrly light flashing...hell yeah. It took off very nicely with the left rear giving drive. Won’t always be in a ditch. Could be merging onto the 395!!!!
     
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  12. Apr 30, 2018 at 3:04 PM
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    Merging onto the highway? I thought that was what the ECT button was for, but that little thing makes it easy to redline the tach because it keeps the transmission in the lower gears too long. Hence, I seldom ever use ECT. I wanted a manual transmission, but they are no longer available with 4 cylinders, only the V-6.
     
  13. Apr 30, 2018 at 7:36 PM
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    Yes, merging onto a highway from a dead stop if the right rear tire is on gravel/loose dirt, and the left rear tire is on pavement. Auto LSD works great in that situation. Even though the right tire is spinning wildly, the system is still able to brake it enough to give traction to the left tire. It will get moving quickly. The 3rd Gen TRAC system is much better than the 2nd Gen system if you're used to that. As for ECT, I like using it in traffic situations. Not much throttle and the truck gets moving swiftly amazingly well. BUT...it does chew up the mpg's compared to not using it. I enjoy both modes. The default mode works great too. That's where the mpg's improve, if you're into that. I stopped caring, though, after noticing the crazy drop in mpg's after turning on the AC...:bananadead:
     
  14. May 12, 2018 at 4:56 PM
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    In snow, on a paved road that is unplowed, with a 3rd Gen, do y'all just throw it in 4hi and stay away from crazy drivers?

    I've had a few 4x4s but haven't driven them in snow much Now I'm permanently in Maryland, and I just sold a fine snow car (Subaru) to buy the truck I need.

    My 2nd Gen was ok in mild snow in 2wd, but I had a bit better than the stock tires it came with (they were pretty bad in rain and mud too)

    I don't plan to run winter's or MTs on this Taco .


    Cool thread .It's a dang computerized 4wd and I like it .
     
  15. Jun 3, 2018 at 1:31 PM
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    I'll preface in case some don't know. GX 460 is full time 4WD with torsen center diff that is open for the pavement. The Mud & Sand MTS mode can be turned on in the default 4H unlocked mode. You have to be down below 7 MPH to engage but it will work at any speed above that. All other modes require 4L. Lots of people now doing the crawl & MTS mods on 460s. Thinking about adding one of these on the rear as well. https://www.cruiserbrothers.com/harrop-elockers/

     
  16. Jul 16, 2018 at 6:00 AM
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    Thank you for starting this thread. This is my first 4x4 and imI looking forward to getting it off road, this information will be helpful
     
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    This post is awesome TY !!! :dancingbacon:
     
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  18. Jul 27, 2018 at 5:06 PM
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    Just play with your Toy to learn what does what. Try hill climbs in each of the modes (Trac On, Trac Off) in H2, H4, and L4 so you know the ability of each. Don't bother with VSC OFF can that is no assist at all and just allows one tire per drive axle to spin if traction is lost.
     
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  19. Aug 5, 2018 at 7:08 AM
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    Now for the real question. How do you turn it all off when your in 2wd to let her eat ???
     
  20. Aug 5, 2018 at 8:25 AM
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    Let her eat?
    To turn off traction control and stability control:
    In 2WD (and 4WD) simply stop driving, press and hold in the VSC OFF button for a few seconds (until the VSC OFF light comes on). TRAC and VSC will remain off until you restart your truck or you do a quick press of the same button.
    NOTE: If you drive in a dangerous manner, the safety system will reactivate to save your truck (and your butt)... so, it is watching how stupid you drive and Toyota's lawyers don't want you claiming the truck is dangerous. Look what happened to the Jeep CJ-5 after 60 Minutes show! VSC is the greatest safety product since the seat belt somebody in the industry said.
     

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