4th Gen?

How does he feel about a hybrid powertrain and rear coil springs? Few more months and the details should drop.

 

Well his 230k miles of towing enclosed trailers probably won't like coils on the rear and he is basically a 65 year old version of Clint Eastwood's character in Gran Torino so the hybrid is the devil

 

haha. I suspect the hybrid will be an option. We'll see about the coils.,

 

Here’s a timetable for the next generation Tundra and Tacoma for those that are interested;

The new shared platform for the Tundra/Tacoma goes by the code name “F1” internally. Sharing parts will help lower costs and improve production efficiencies (e.g., sharing hinges, bolts, radiator supports, power window motors, hood prop rod, coolant overflow tanks, etc.).

The next generation TUNDRA is supposed to enter production on or around August 3, 2020 at TMMTX. Sequoia the following calendar year.

The next generation TACOMA is still being designed and the current one has an EOP (End Of Production) date of July, 2022. The next generation TACOMA SOP (Start Of Production) is Q3, 2022 and will be sold as a 2023 model. The current Tacoma, N300, was simply a major redo of the previous N200 Tacoma (2004-2015)

 

A source said that the 2023 4-cyl Tacoma’s will have turbos and 300hp

 

The 5th gen 4 runner started in 2010 it’s inly been 9 years

 

How is that going to go down, are they going to sell both the 3rd and 4th Gen Taco' s together for a couple years? Maybe I am reading the dates wrong but it sounds like the 4th Gen starts next year while the 3rd Gen still continues on until July 2022.

 

New 2021 Tundra starts production in August, 2020. The new Tacoma starts production in Q3 of 2022 and will be sold as a 2023 model. The current N300 Tacoma sticks around for another 2-years.

 

Ok that makes much more sense than the previous post saying Tacoma SOP was Q3 2020.

 

Where did you get this from? And how is the 3rd gen EOP 2022, but he 4th gen SOP is 2020?

 

I think @TRDProOne meant SOP for 4th gen would be Q3 2022. The first post is a typo.

 

This is consistent with all the leaks and official statements I have read in the last year.

Toyota was the last non-American V8 hold out. Shame that they are going to cut it soon for their Lexus sedans and coupes. Even more of shame if they drop it for the tundra, which is a rumor. Even when mike sweers was asked about the fate of the v8 he couldn’t give a straight answer and basically said “that’s a good question...”.

 

yeah i kinda mis typed the time frame.

4th gen went until aug-2009 and 5th gen started after that oct-2009 (MY 2010)

 

kinda skeptical of this timeframe as this makes the gen cycle roughly 7yrs which is really short for a truck based frame vehicle for toyota.

T100 1st gen MY 1993-1998 (6 model yrs)
Tundra 1st gen MY 2000-2006 (7 model yrs)
Tundra 2nd gen MY 2007-???? (13 model yrs so far as of 2019)

Tacoma 1st gen MY 1995-2004 (10 model yrs)
Tacoma 2nd gen MY 2005-2015 (11 model yrs)
Tacoma 3rd gen MY 2016-???? (4 models yrs so far as of 2019)

4Runner 1st gen MY 1984-1989 (6 model yrs)
4Runner 2nd gen MY 1990-1995 (6 model yrs)
4Runner 3rd gen MY 1996-2002 (7 model yrs)
4Runner 4th gen MY 2003-2009 (7 model yrs)
4Runner 5th gen MY 2010-???? (10 model yrs as of 2019)

Sequoia 1st gen MY 2001-2007 (7 model yrs)
Sequoia 2nd gen MY 2008-???? (12 model yrs as of 2019)

Land Cruiser and variations (lexus also)

J200 MY 2008-???? (12 model yrs as of 2019)(LC in usa)

i wont get into the models and wacky years of production of the LC as its all over the place prior to the J200.

J100 is a lexus only version that was production in along side the J80 that was the prior version of the usa LC from 1990-2008 and the J100 was in production from 1998-2007

 

You’re not considering Toyota’s push for the TNGA platforms and the cost savings they receive from converting to TNGA.

if it costs less to make the tundra and Tacoma on a shared platform, then it doesn’t really make sense to continue to make the third gen.

 

Bottom line? We still have 2 more years of the current N300 Tacoma. Anyone who trades in a 2016 or newer Tacoma on a new model is foolish in my opinion. Save your money, 24 months goes by quick. Patience grasshoppers...

 

yes but not at the expense of mid cycle switch on a generation. i expect to see the next gen tundra to use the new shared platform before the current gen tacoma to die out and the next gen tacoma to switch to the new shared platform. i am expecting they will run the full cycle on current tacoma gen out to 10 yrs most likely but the off chance they might switch to the new shared platform during the mid cycle refresh which should be at the 5th or 6th model year of the current gen.

unless the new shared platform is the same layout as the current frame and whatnot, how much of a cost would it be to switch mid cycle to meet TGNA specs (remember you have to retest all the federal requirements to get it to usa market, ie: crash tests, etc) which will kill what money you put into research, etc and your ROI timeline for the current gen.

remember bean counters will have a major effect on the ROI on the current gen platform than switching to the TGNA platform. if your cost savings is wiped out by retooling and what not to switch, then its just better to keep what you have and wait until you get to your ROI breakpoints.

but hey you never know toyota might throw money away for once

 

I heard from my dealership that 1/3 of 2020 production Tacomas will be hybrid! Honestly I'm looking forward to seeing what they did.

 

Based on the past life cycles we wont see a new Tacoma until at least 2025. Long generations is partially what keeps all of our resale values up, this is a good thing and Toyota knows it. Toyota wont risk that by following Ford or chevys model of "selling new" every few years to boost sales, they dont have to as these things fly off the shelf.

 

I am certified CMA and CPA, and I have been a cost accountant on and off for a few years. Now, I have never made decisions as an accountant because that’s FP&As job. I just report the activity. This is based on what those FP&A butt-holes always bother me about.

In the cost world, gross margin is king. that is the biggest thing that everyone cares about. I am mostly talking about my experience using standard costing. I never worked with actual costing, and I don’t know of many manufacturers that use actuals. Should be the same though.

We don’t care about R&D because it doesn’t affect gross margins. Per GAAP, R&D is not included in gross margin. We don’t care about capital equipment investment. In the standard costing world, capital equipment allocation is almost taken as a given. in situations of over and under absorption, sure allocations can and should be changed.

Now in a situation where capital equipment and labor allocations per unit can be lowered(or even material costs) thanks to something like toyota’s TNGF. The FP&A folks will be jumping up in down in jubilation. If there was a way to significantly increase gross margins for any company, it would happen tomorrow. Not next week and not next year.

So what I am saying is, in the short-run, operating activity matters the most. Quarterly revenue, quarterly operating cash flow and gross margin are the big KPI for a manufacturer.