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4th generation - timing? details?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by VeeSix, Nov 16, 2020.

  1. Oct 5, 2021 at 9:56 PM
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    Ford is getting a ton out of the Escape Platform as it also is the base for the Bronco Sport and the Maverick so it seems like Toyota could use alot of off the shelf parts and a RAV4 Platform to make a mini truck. The only challenge would be to keep the price far enough below the Tacoma so they wouldnt lose any sales.
     
  2. Oct 6, 2021 at 5:55 AM
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    :crazy:WTF? If that is not a Tundra, WTF is it then? Lawd have mercy, it's too damn early, but not out of the question either, as it isn't necessarily official either via marketing teases. It's at least casually spotted by a normal observer and anything can test without the knowledge of professional spy photographers, both on and off proving grounds.
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    Where were these photos even taken and when? I want to say 2022 Tundra, but maybe that can't be right if it's recent. Toyota committed to design work on the 920B Tacoma program early, so if they are ready to be running them, then they must be confident about the early exposure.

    A refresh for 2023 doesn't make sense, as that doesn't show up anywhere at all. Only 920B does and it's a MY 2024 vehicle. All engineering personnel related to 920B, reference it since 2017-18 and TNGA-F. I did very deep research, I was going to keep mum about. Anyone interested, please PM me on what I have seen regarding 920B aka 4th generation Tacoma. I don't like posting it, for outsiders to grab and repost without consulting me.

    Honestly, I was supposed to disappear and take a 2-5 year posting sabbatical, yet this shows up a few days later...:facepalm::frusty:

    I have been industrywide, following next generations and lifecycles of key products in virtually every segment, so I am just exhausted mentally, especially as COVID has messed up a lot of it and left me chasing my tail on what's coming and when. Work is hard enough as it is, let alone examining the rest of the industry for 10+ years with a close lense, from Audi to Toyota in my personal time.

    Toyota had the final body for the Tundra by early 2018 and started testing mules wearing the front and rear of it by December 2018. We saw those in the form of the January 2019 spy shots. Months later, the full thing and no sight of it until late 2020. Now, they are launching it in December 2021, a whole 3 years later for MY 2022.

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    Toyota could easily trot out 920B prototypes, if design freeze already happened several months ago and the first prototype units are assembled, ready to drive about. This is just crazy though and I have never seen anything like this from Toyota honestly, in my 16 years of observing their prototyping methods. Them allowing anyone to see something that early...wow! Two full MYs out in final design, as not typical of Toyota. Are even 2022s even being delivered at this point?

    This can't be a 2024 Tacoma (sic) and if it is (highly likely it is), Toyota have weirdly moved it forward earlier than planned or got caught unexpectedly testing it 2 years ahead of launch, which naturally they wouldn't permit it in most circumstances.

    No one saw anything until last week, on the next Sequoia and it was merely a casual observer spotting it in Plano. Not TFL, not any media. A casual observer, catching it just before launch. Let alone, this 2 years early?

    Toyota must have a vested interest in milking this, if they are willing to interrupt Tundra launch coverage and hurt sales of the current 3G truck, by trotting any 920B program 4G prototypes, to the degree the public will notice it and report on it fast. I mean WTF? I am a bit confused here.

    I want to investigate this further, as I can only rely on my own industry intel from industry databases access or directly from Toyota people, who know better than I would. If not a Tundra, obviously a Tacoma. And this just wouldn't be a refresh.

    The journalist at Jalopnik is an idiot, as redesign =/= refresh. Abit, the guy who took the photo did his part at least. You "refresh" your face by splashing water in it. You redesign your face, by getting plastic surgery. it's quite stupid, when professionals state BS like that and confuse people. I cannot foresee any capacity, how this is a refresh. The 2016 Tacoma was 989A Program from 2011 to 2015, while the 2020 Tacoma refresh was designated as 625B from 2016 to 2019. The next gen is 920B since about 2017.

    After signing off from posting originally, I have heard and seen 3 dates for 920B Tacoma of Q3 2023, September 2023, and December 2023 at TMMGT and TMMBC. For 2023 Tacoma, only October 2022 shows up. Not convinced it's the redesign, as almost everyone working on it says 2024 and that hasn't changed at all. It was listed on another red and black slide (secondary one) as "2023", which vanished and I couldn't archive. Only Sequoia and 4Runner under 2022 (latter got delayed thanks to engineering changes) and Tundra under Q4 2021.

    Also now see next 4Runner listed for January 2024 Job 1, but can't see future Tahara production unfortunately to confirm production there too. Sources independent of me, say CY 2024 for 4Runner and Tacoma is still in CY 2023 as a 2024. If this is it, very good news. Anyone else is welcome to speculate, as I don't get what I am seeing.
     
  3. Oct 6, 2021 at 7:50 AM
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    I just want to give a shout out for how much I love these overly detailed, professorial posts that dot all the i’s and t’s right down to using “[sic]” for misspellings and “sabbatical” for your time away from your Tacomastudents. Please only make it nine months if Admin. grants you your sabbatical this year; our minds are rough blocks of modeling clay just waiting to be shaped and made scalable.
     
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  4. Oct 6, 2021 at 9:27 AM
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    It's Jalopnik, that's a given lol.

    What I am confused about and maybe someone can answer is this, why are all the wheels missing their center caps? I'm sure there is a reason for it, I just don't know what it is.
     
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  5. Oct 6, 2021 at 9:34 AM
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    100% true about Jalopnik.

    In some testing, they will add sensors for much more precise measurements.

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  6. Oct 6, 2021 at 9:37 AM
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    That's what I was thinking, thanks.
     
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  7. Oct 6, 2021 at 9:38 AM
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    You're welcome!
     
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    I can’t “like” this comment enough.

    IOU one reach around.
     
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    Uh, a like is cool. We can stop there haha.
     
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    Tundra will have engine start/stop now. You can turn off (non hybrib only) with button, but need to push at every start up.

    Yay o_O

    Still like new look.
     
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    You can’t turn it off on the hybrid? Or the hybrid doesn’t have ESS?
     
  17. Oct 7, 2021 at 8:25 PM
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    Can't turn off ... to be fair the hybrid batt covers to 18 mph so prob won't notice as much cuz power should be instant.
     
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    Had wanted to reply to these sooner, I apologize. Didn't really sleep tonight, after an exhausting 2hr, 37 min airport run to DTW (roundtrip, plus waiting), so why not open TW in another tab and address some stuff from last week?

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    Wow...:hattip:, this is just something else. Thank you so much. It's just about sharing the knowledge (if there's any that is), very nice of you. LOL, I need to do better at summarizing honestly. I cannot imagine how hard it can be to pore through this text of mine, after many here have had probably very long todays. These Tacomas ain't cheap LOL, compared to the old 'Yota pickups.

    I had wanted to take a long break from posting, because I am finding that I can spend way too long formulating text.

    Unless there were gonna be new developments on the Tacoma front, I was gonna bow out and wrap it up, since full-size TNGA-F stuff is now debuting, Bronco has been launched and so have Expedition and Navigator I worked on for 2022 (another Ford is coming though...)

    Other next generation automobiles I tried to provide insight on, are going public as well. I had commented on Lexus for years, but now I am out of that for good.

    At that point I had served my purpose, but these spy shots totally upended that and yeah, color me annoyed at Toyota for doing that to me, 5 minutes after "my break" started LOL.

    Unfortunately. When pointing this out to them, I am always stuck in the gray...

    They just don't get it. Unfortunately both TFL (who chided me for constructive criticism:facepalm:) and C&D have called this a 2023, with no actual reference to support it. They really don't what they're talking about and stuff like that, in seeing the far reach that they have, keeps me very active in rebutting the misinformation.

    I don't want anyone to make snap buying/leasing/selling decisions based on that and getting wrong, when they see the same old truck for 2023 next summer (or winter at Chicago?). A few people will get something from me by PM, that explains the 2024 MY aspect.

    Fodder is correct, but the rendering is the only worthy highlight. I still haven't heard from my guy at CALTY. If he does post here, then it explains why he's ignoring my messages...:anonymous:

    Hmm, maybe I need to sweep into there and help with some bullet points...
     
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