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5100s vs Spacers

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Lane Cypert, Oct 28, 2008.

  1. Oct 28, 2008 at 4:00 PM
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    Lane Cypert

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    I am trying to decide between the Bilstein 5100's set at 2.5 on the front or a 3 inch spacer lift. I was leaning towards the 5100s until the guy from 4wheel parts told me the bad thing about the 5100s set to the highest setting is they are hard to align and will wear out more parts over time than the spacers. Sorry for the run on sentence! I am definitely going to do add a leaf on the rear.
     
  2. Oct 28, 2008 at 4:08 PM
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    wat?
    spacers do the same thing as the 5100's set at top. both throw the caster outta wack and all...gotta get new UCA's to fix that
     
  3. Oct 28, 2008 at 4:17 PM
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    +1...Any lift will need some other parts to make sure they fit correctly. Depending on what you want to do with the truck is how you should decide what life to use.
     
  4. Oct 28, 2008 at 5:36 PM
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    Do most people get new UCA's or just run them with the stock ones? I am not going to offroad and the lift is all for looks
     
  5. Oct 28, 2008 at 5:41 PM
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    wat?
    w/o the uca's u'll do like said before and add stress to other components and the alignment will never be exactly right. for 4x4's it'll help to do the diff drop no matter what
     
  6. Oct 28, 2008 at 5:46 PM
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    what's the right number too see on caster to know that your truck is on spec??...i had mine lifted 1.75 + tsb...thanks
    Don
     
  7. Oct 28, 2008 at 8:44 PM
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    Caster should be 2.5* to 3.1* to be in spec. Thats with Camber at 0* and toe at 0*
     
  8. Oct 28, 2008 at 9:52 PM
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    thanks Chris...glad you caught this...i will now look at the numbers on my alignment sheet...
     
  9. Oct 28, 2008 at 10:02 PM
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    im kinda starting to think i should do a diff drop on my tacoma since i just installed my new suspension. i got a little lift out of it, maybe 2 inches for the front with the ome881 coils............not real sure if its needed tho. i know im gonna save for some tc uca's later on too.
     
  10. Oct 28, 2008 at 10:11 PM
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    tacoma 4x2 : 2007-08: pre runner double cab: standard bed (mexico)

    this is the actual reading after lifting (1.75 setting on bilstein and tsb) and aligned per specification of above truck description: my question: is my alignment number wrong? should i let them change it? or should i stay on standard specified number that this truck required...thanks
    Don

    left front
    camber 1.0 *
    caster 1.0*
    toe .13*

    right front
    camber 1.0*
    caster 1.0*
    toe .13*

    specified range for 4x2 pre-runner dbl cab 2007-2008
    camber -0.0* to 1.5*
    caster 0.9* to 2.4*
    toe 0.6* to 0.17*
     
  11. Oct 29, 2008 at 6:12 PM
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    I dont think you need the Diff drop. It only changes things a few degrees, and it moves your diff down and more likely to hit something when off roading.

    Ummmm.......If I were you, I would tell them to set Camber at 0* and Toe at 0* I have a feeling your front tires look like this: \ / when veiwed from the front.
     
  12. Oct 29, 2008 at 6:58 PM
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    Mine is (after lift):
    Left:
    Camber .9
    Caster 3.4
    Toe -.02

    Right:
    Camber .5
    Caster 3.6
    Toe -.02

    That seems WAY different from the above numbers...

    I have to take it in tomorrow(-ish) to get the alignment redone since I adjusted the coilvers... I was planning on telling them to set the Caster at 2.4 based on ToKu's thread from ToyotaNation.com.
     
  13. Oct 29, 2008 at 7:00 PM
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    Just tell them to set the Camber at 0* and the Toe at 0*. The Caster should fall into spec. With the TC UCA's your going to have a little more Camber than stock. Probably around 3*. This is a good thing as it will track really nice. :)
     
  14. Oct 29, 2008 at 7:09 PM
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    As always, thanks dude!
     
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    aight.....since its only slightly lifted, i'll keep it as is till i get new uca's.:D
     
  16. Oct 29, 2008 at 7:13 PM
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    Cool! :)
     
  17. Oct 29, 2008 at 7:37 PM
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    How about mine! Do these look ok? I have 5100s set at 2.5".

    Left:
    Camber: 1.2
    Caster: 0.0
    Toe: 0.03
    SAI: 10.4
    Included Angle: 11.6

    Right:
    Camber: 0.7
    Caster: 0.3
    Toe: 0.04
    SAI: 11.1
    Included Angle: 11.7
     
  18. Oct 29, 2008 at 7:41 PM
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    Are you serious?
     
  19. Oct 29, 2008 at 7:49 PM
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    dude...that cant be riding good. they need to get those closer to each other i think.
     
  20. Oct 29, 2008 at 8:03 PM
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    I don't know the first thing about alighments, is that really bad:confused:? That is the job from the great Firestone lifetime alignment.
     
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