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.65 clip on 5100?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by Clingman, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. Apr 14, 2019 at 1:16 PM
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    Clingman

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    I've searched for this until my eyes bled and not found it in all the 5100 threads.

    Anyone running this clip position on an otherwise stock suspension TRD OR? Got pics? How bad is the ride from the increased preload? What I'm gathering is the ride is softer than a Sport but firmer than an OR...
     
  2. Apr 14, 2019 at 1:52 PM
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    I believe there is a 6112 thread under suspension and a few members posted .65” pics. Its what I would do as I plan on towing next year. Some height but keeps the front end ride from getting too stiff
     
  3. Apr 14, 2019 at 9:48 PM
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    I have mine at .65 with the stock springs.

    During installation of the stock Bilstein 4600’s, the stock coil spring must be compressed, just as with the 5100’s.

    Once the weight of the vehicle is on the spring, the spring is the same length with the 5100’s as when it is used with the stock shocks.

    The ride is firmer with the 5100’s because they have firmer valving. They’re a firmer shock than the stock Bilsteins, and they will provide a firmer ride with the stock coil springs even with the circlip at the “0” setting.

    It’s not the compressed stock coils (a common misconception), it’s the shock valving that gives the stiffer ride.
    Try the 5100’s at the 0 setting. You’ll have a stiffer ride than with the 4600’s. I guarantee it!

    Not all shock are created equal. That is, they all can provide drastically different ride and handling characteristics.
    Ask the people on TW that spend big money on some really great shocks for both on road and heavy off road use.
    And then there’s the matter of aftermarket coil springs further changing the ride.

    5100’s do reduce body roll or lean while driving in curves, so they assist in handling curves better.
    The stock Bilsteins definitely provided a softer, smoother ride around town.

    With the 5100’s, lift is achieved by raising the clip on the shock body, which increases the length of the bottom tube of the shock below the lower coil spring mount, which is what pushes the lower control arm down, thereby raising the ride height of the truck.

    The lengthened shock body below the bottom of the coil mount gives the lift.

    After installation, and once the vehicle tires are placed back on the ground and the vehicle weight is pushing down on the springs, the spring length remains exactly the same at all settings.

    This is fact.

    Mind blown!

    Falken 265/75-16 tires, about 1 inch larger diameter than stock.

    Front end, .5 inch tire lift plus .65 shock lift= 1.15 inch front end lift.
    Rear end, .5 inch tire lift minus .5 inch drop due to weight of canopy, trailer ball mount, bed mat, a few tools, etc. = 0 rear lift.

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    Bilstein 5100 .65 front clip with Falkens.1E9E822B-922A-431E-BA82-F4013FC7D33F.jpg
    Clip at 2nd ring for .65 inch lift. If moving the black mount to the right or higher on the silver 5100 shock, the lower tube would become longer below the coil, creating greater lift.

    The shock itself doesn’t compress the coil spring. The coil gets compressed between the lower mount and the upper mount for the shock, at which time the shock is topped out. Then the coil gets compressed further by the weight of the truck and becomes the same length at all settings.70B68BE1-C35C-4140-BB65-CD25A2279AA8.jpg
     
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  4. Apr 15, 2019 at 2:41 AM
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    Thanks. Very useful information.
     
  5. Apr 15, 2019 at 6:18 AM
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    Fantastic post. Thanks for taking the time :thumbsup:
     
  6. Apr 15, 2019 at 6:37 AM
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    Thanks for the info. I was wondering about the stock springs as you move the clip up the shock if it would increase the spring pressure.doesn't make sense much but I’ll take your word
     
  7. Apr 15, 2019 at 6:45 AM
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    16x8 FUEL BEAST 265 75 16 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3 Tyger step sides 20% tint front to match factory tint bilstein 5100s on third notch PRO grill
    Here’s the 3rd setting. 1.1
    Otherwise totally stock suspension

    2F7544A0-1EED-4F0C-8B6B-84C449FA7C03.jpg
     
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  8. Apr 15, 2019 at 7:35 AM
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    Here's mine with 5100s on the 2nd (.65") circlip. Totally stock otherwise. If anything I feel like the onroad ride only improved. Slightly firmer, but in a good way, and better damped. A bit less brake dive and body roll, but it wasn't a game changer either. I was surprised how level I got with just .65" of lift in the front. Tires are 265/70/17 fwiw. The first two pics aren't on 100% level ground, but he third pic with stock size tires is pretty level.
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    What did you do for the rear ?
     
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    I put 5100s in the rear as well, but nothing to lift it, so rear is stock height.
     
  12. Apr 15, 2019 at 8:42 AM
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    Thank you. How about the alignment? Did the camber change much? I put a lot of highway miles on the truck so I don't want it burning the corners off of the tires.
     
  13. Apr 15, 2019 at 8:49 AM
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    What size tires are you running?
     
  14. Apr 15, 2019 at 9:10 AM
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    I’m at 1.1” with stock springs and it’s definitely more stiff than stock. But it’s dropped back to near stock height with a slim bumper and winch.


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  15. Apr 15, 2019 at 10:17 AM
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    Wow your tires look way bigger than 265/70/17 with those wheels. Do they look that way because of the negative offset?
     
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    Great info! What is your current rake? I'm thinking of doing the bilsteins 5100 in the front to raise it about an inch due to rubbing with the 265/70r17 on the mud flaps.
    I have a canopy as well, and want the truck to be within an inch.
     
  17. Apr 15, 2019 at 10:42 PM
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    5100’s front and rear, .65 front with stock coils, singe Deaver AAL with stock spring pack with overload still on in rear, + Firestone riderite airbags for towing adjustments. It's fully loaded for a two-week road trip in this pic.A5957448-6CAC-4EC2-929A-E197957B7F81.jpg
     
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  18. Apr 16, 2019 at 6:12 AM
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    Thanks. Did you check the alignment?
     
  19. Apr 16, 2019 at 6:13 AM
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    Here's my alignment sheet right after I put the 5100s on. I do a lot of highway miles as well.

    alignment.jpg
     
  20. Apr 16, 2019 at 6:15 AM
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    That's my guess. I think it's the pics to some degree as well, as they don't look that big in person I don't think.
     

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