650/700 springs that can be paired with 6112's for a 2" lift without preloading?

Are there any 650/700 springs out there that can be paired with the 6112's that would give you 2" of lift without preloading the spring so that it can be left on the bottom clip setting?

What are the available springs and lengths?

 

Why do you not want any preload on the spring/bottom clip setting?

 

Bc when you preload the spring it provides a rough ride. I want a longer spring so that I can get about 2 inches of lift just like running the 5100s w an OmE or Eibach spring on the bottom clip.

 

Nope, rough ride is not associated to spring preload unless you are coil binding (spring 100% collapsing when bottomed out), or the main thing is too much lift which equals no down travel. That is the thing people notice, as these trucks will ride like shit with anything over 2.5-3'' of lift in the front since the whole truck will jerk into potholes. I have the max amount of preload possible on my springs and it floats like a boat.

 

Sorry but I disagree with your statement. But thats ok Im not here to argue about that.

Let me know if you are aware of the part numbers to the springs that are available for the 6112s. I looked around and I see there are some king, eibach and bilstein options. But I cant find the part numbers to them. Some of them seem to be 14" in length.

 

It's not a statement, its a fact. Say you're aiming for 2'' of lift. A preloaded 600lb spring will ride way nicer than a non-preloaded 700lb spring. It's legit facts. Pre-load doesn't increase spring rate. Do some research and you will see.

 

Correct. People don't realize how sensitive these front ends are. Even my ADS rode like crap with too much lift.

If you have too much spring the ride will be worse than having a preloaded spring with the proper rate. A 14" coil might be too long for the 6112's and cause even more issues. If you compress a longer spring a ton to work with the Bilstein's - that's still.. adding preload.. just a different way to go about it. Down travel is huge on these trucks. Don't overlift - you will not have a good time. If you want a 14" spring go with a coilover system designed for a 14" spring.

That said, it sounds like you're going to do whatever you want anyway, hope it works out for you. Bilstein offers replacement springs with different spring rates. You can put a stiffer spring designed for that coilover if you absolutely are this against preload.

 

Your wrong but ok...

 

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/suspension-question-preload.691099/#post-24416999

Here's some good info for you

 

Lol. Im just looking to see the stats and part numbers for the various 6112s springs not get into a debate. This way i can make my own decision on what want for my own truck.

I currently have the Eibach 742 pound springs on my 5100s and I like it alot. It provides 2" of lift in the front without a preload of the spring and it handles perfect for my application. It took me a couple of trys on springs to find what I liked. Everyone is different on what they want.

I will be going with either a 650 or 700 spring again but wanted to see the available springs.

Im just looking for part numbers jeesh.

 

Tinkerer's Adventures will set you free. I wish he did more videos. Damn genius of how he explains things and why people confuse pre-load with a harsh ride. If you don't believe what people above are saying, watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1tTelhdEiM

To answer your question, you can find the Bilstein 14" 650# springs here.
https://cart.bilsteinus.com/

 

Thank you. I did find the part number for that one today. Im reading through the 200plus page 6112 thread to hunt for the eibach and king part numbers on their coils. Thanks again for your reply.

 

Weird, I ride on preloaded 600 springs on my 6112s with 2” of lift and they ride great. But anyway, I can tell you will not be dissuaded by facts.

Speaking of facts, a 650 lb spring exists and if you Google it there are a thousand hits. Call a vendor and ask if they will assemble 6112s with 650 lb springs for you.

@memario1214 ?

 

3rd gen tacoma has a stock spring rate of 717 plus i have an access cab which isnt recommended for the top clip. I also carry 500 pounds all the time so Im avoiding the 600 springs.

 

I understand the 650 lb spring, I assumed you were carrying extra weight.

All I’m saying is, assuming you are buying 6112’s, just contact a vendor and see if they can be assembled with the larger spring rate you desire. The 650 spring is available from Bilstein.

If you’re assembling yourself or already have the 6112’s with 600 lb springs, you now have a part number and hopefully it all works out for you.

 

The 650# spring is mainly for weight in the front like a winch and/or steel bumper for steel skid plates. Otherwise you will get more lift and a stiffer ride. Nothing wrong with that, just pointing it out that that is the net effect. If you have 500#'s in the bed, 650# up front doesn't do much.

For the record so you know I am not dissing you, I am in a similar boat. I am getting my 6112s installed in a few weeks. I have the 600# and 650# springs and trying to decide which ones to install. I've got steel sliders, aluminum skids, and a Prinsu rack. And then a shell on the bed. For the bed I am getting Icon RXT leaf springs and running option two. I am torn on front but thinking I am going to start with the 600# springs and see how they fair. I have the newer 6112s and plan to set them at 10/8 for a 1.7" lift and if I sag a little due to weight I will end up at 1.5ish which will be a good match for the lift in back so I still have rake.

I figure I'll hold onto the 650# springs to see if where the 600's settle.

 

I have the RXT pack at level 3 - Prior to that I only had a Wolf single short add a leaf and 1/2block. The RXT rides SO much better even at stage 3 compared to before. But my 5100's are maxed out and I am going to switch to either 5160's or 5125's in the rear. There is only about a .3" difference in extended length so I'll probably go 5160's.

I think its a great idea to try more than one spring option for the 6112's to see what fits for each person. Ride comfort is subjective. I just don't want to be at the max clip setting to get 2" of lift or more likely have to have a small spacer on top as well just for 2". So a stiffer spring is a better match for me.

Bilstein B12 Series Part#53-291387 (Front Height .5” more for 80-140 Pounds of additional weight) 650 pound spring is one option. I will likely spend some time today seeking out the other 650/700 options.

 

Let us know how it turns out.

On Option 3, what did you get for lift and how is your 500#'s distributed roughly on your truck? I'm in the middle. Too light for the 600# on option 3 but heavier than the 200#s on option 2. Leaning heavily towards option 2.

 

I think I could have done stage 2 or 3 and it would have been fine. I did stage 3 because of the weight (Thinking that I would get 2" but it ended up being more) and I am going to wait a month before deciding to keep it or not to see if there is any settling.

I want to say that I still got 2.5" of lift even with all of that weight. Most of my weight is towards the back. Front Skid, Topper, Cab Rack, two totes of tools, sleeping platform, and some other misc stuff that def adds up quickly. I just did the RXT last weekend. I now run a 1" body lift to compliment my 2" suspension lift so I forgot my exact measurements. So I have about a 1-1.5" rake which I like.


I emailed King and Eibach today on their springs. I got a response from Eibach saying they didn't have a recommendation for which of their springs is paired with the Bilstein 6112 because they don't do any testing in that area. I kind of figured with the mixing of brands.

Waiting to hear back from King to see if they respond. I did find some part numbers for what I think is the right ones but wanted to make see if I was on the right track, I asked King if these coils were flat on both sides or just one side.

Kings SPR3-14-650 3x14x650

Kings SPR3-14-700 3x14x700