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90915-YZZD1 Vs 90915-YZZD3?

Discussion in '4 Cylinder' started by TacoMan1911, May 1, 2013.

  1. Oct 14, 2017 at 7:05 AM
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    chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

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    And you seem to love this "absolute" term. There is no standardized "absolute" test I'm aware of.
     
  2. Oct 14, 2017 at 7:08 AM
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    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Moderator

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    Gimme the names. I'll have this verified myself, and post the test results.
     
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    Donaldson and Baldwin both. These are major manufacturers that can verify what filtration and flow is needed on Toyota engines. Even more specifically the 2.7 2TR-FE and 3RZ-FE which share the same engine block architecture.
     
  5. Oct 14, 2017 at 11:48 PM
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  6. Oct 14, 2017 at 11:50 PM
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    If Toyota could filter down to 2 microns with 98.5% or greater efficiency they could in theory filter out the majority of the carbon found in the oil system. Bypass filtration can filter down extremely low and I have used them in the past to clean crankcases from heavy soot loading. Carbon particulates can go as low as 0.5 micron and up to 2 micron in size.
     
  7. Oct 15, 2017 at 8:16 AM
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    They can "Verify" flow they think is needed in a Toyota, but have they provided submittal information to Toyota? No. Do they meet Toyota specs? No. NipponDenso Has provided submittals verifying their products meet what Toyota requests. Not advertising, but actually submitting on their product, witch breaks down what components are used, from the rubber gasket, the steel case, and everything inside. Toyota doesn't just call them up, and say "Yo! Gimmie a filter that can stop junk smaller than a coffee grind, and gimmie CHEAP!". The process can take many months. Just for the filter. Filters have to meet Flow, Filtration, and quality guidelines set forth by Toyota. What I posted is right from the Engineered specs REQUIRED from Toyota.


    And trust me. I know more about this stuff than you.
     
  8. Oct 15, 2017 at 8:19 AM
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    Why on Earth are you thinking "Carbon" is the big issue in an oil system? The garbage you are spewing is more in relation do old, diesel engines, and hardly relevant in a consumer Gas engine.
     
  9. Oct 15, 2017 at 8:22 AM
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    All the samples I have done on filters, a Toyota filter gathers sooooo much of the crap in the oil, the oil breaks down before there is any concern for these "carbon" particles to run amok and do any damage. The amount of filter media alone, in the Toyota filters, can dictate to the average laymen that it will hold more than double any other off the shelf filter.
     
  10. Oct 15, 2017 at 8:34 AM
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    I also want to clarify, I was wrong about the micron rating. 99% first pass "down to 10 micron", multi pass down to 5. No percentage requirements given for multi pass.
     
  11. Oct 16, 2017 at 3:41 AM
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    If the 2 micrron rating you gave was correct it would trap the larger carbon particulates.
    I never mentioned what is an issue just a comparison of what a 2 micron element can capture.

    I would like to see hard evidence via documentation of filter holding capacity. Your word alone is meaningless. Again you seem to have gotten stuck on my comparison of carbon being filtered from the lube oil. See response comment above for clarification.

    Where have you received these values? 10 micron is excellent filtration but without documentation these values are meaningless.



    Now before you decide to make an additional comment please find the documents proving the Toyota Thailand filters are superior. If you prrovide these docs in some shape or fashion and your information is accurate I will retract my previous statements.
     
  12. Oct 16, 2017 at 7:59 AM
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    You should do the same here. Lets see the claim of the filters being made by Champion, and have a 40 micron rating. All the information I gave, is right from Toyota Specifications, Standards and Details. Look them up. Some of the information is right on this site.
     
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    Interesting as I have never bothered to look into the D3 filter,

    Until this past Sunday when I was changing the oil on the 2000 Land Cruiser and guess what filter it calls for? Yup the D3...

    If the D3 is good enough for a Japanese built 4.7L V8 engine that has over 400K on it it's certainly good enough for my 2.7L I4 with 32K, hahaha
     
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    My 13 V6 came with a D1 filter on it from the factory , when I went back to the dealer to buy the oil filter for its first oil change they gave me a D3 and acted like they never heard of the D1 filter. They told me the D1 was just a factory filter.
     
  15. Oct 24, 2017 at 6:04 PM
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    I have 3 or 4 of the D1's sitting I my garage from when I had a 2.7. If someone wants them I'll ship them to you for the cost of shipping or so. Send me a PM!
     
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    I recently did: 2005 2.7L w/ 214,300 miles - stock truck w/ no lift, no failures of any kind... I've used Mobile 1 0W30 & YZZD1 filter for 95% of the oil changes, but this time I decided to go w/ Pennzoil Platinum 5W30 and YZZD3. Truck didn't like it, and upon startup in 40-45 degree weather was sounding like piston slap or valve knock, for about the first 10 seconds and went away. 3-4 different start-ups in 40-45 degree weather or mid-day in 60 degrees, valve knock/pistol slap. I yanked the D3 and put a D1 back on, and it stopped.

    The Pennzoil is a touch thicker than I've used in it in YEARS, and with the ECU re-learn... dunno really why it started doing that, but the truck drives & sounds like a new 2.7L even at 15 years and 214k, so I think it was the D3.
     
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    https://www.clublexus.com/forums/rx...ne-oil-filter-90915-yzzd1-vs-90915-yzzd3.html
     
  18. Apr 26, 2020 at 3:06 PM
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    Did you happen to "prime" the new filter first (i.e. fill it with new oil before installing it)? If not, my guess is that the larger filter caused the oil system to delay building pressure, which starved the hydraulic valve tappets. The knocking/clattering sound should go away once the oil system gets up to pressure, maybe a few seconds.

    I use the yzzd1 filter and always prime it. It will hold almost half a quart of oil. I imagine the longer ones would hold a bit more, maybe 2/3 - 3/4 quart?
     
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