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**Action Alert** Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by Packman73, Apr 23, 2009.

  1. Apr 23, 2009 at 2:40 PM

    Packman73 [OP] ^^^^ 3%er ^^^^

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    Action Alert
    Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading
    -- Even BB guns could be on the chopping block Gun Owners of America
    8001 Forbes Place Suite 102
    Springfield VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
    Tuesday, April 21, 2009

    Remember CANDIDATE Barack Obama? The guy who "wasn't going to take away our guns"?
    Well, guess what?
    Less than 100 days into his administration, he's never met a gun he didn't hate.
    A week ago, Obama went to Mexico, whined about the United States, and bemoaned (before the whole world) the fact that he didn't have the political power to take away our semi-automatics. Nevertheless, that didn't keep him from pushing additional restrictions on American gun owners.
    It's called the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials. To be sure, this imponderable title masks a really nasty piece of work.

    First of all, when the treaty purports to ban the "illicit" manufacture of firearms, what does that mean?
    1. "Illicit manufacturing" of firearms is defined as "assembly of firearms [or] ammunition... without a license...."
    Hence, reloading ammunition -- or putting together a lawful firearm from a kit -- is clearly "illicit manufacturing."
    Modifying a firearm in any way would surely be "illicit manufacturing." And, while it would be a stretch, assembling a firearm after cleaning it could, in any plain reading of the words, come within the screwy definition of "illicit manufacturing."
    2. "Firearm" has a similarly questionable definition.
    "[A]ny other weapon" is a "firearm," according to the treaty -- and the term "weapon" is nowhere defined.
    So, is a BB gun a "firearm"? Probably.
    A toy gun? Possibly.
    A pistol grip or firing pin? Probably. And who knows what else.
    If these provisions (and others) become the law of the land, the Obama administration could have a heyday in enforcing them. Consider some of the other provisions in the treaty:
    * Banning reloading. In Article IV of the treaty, countries commit to adopting "necessary legislative or other measures" to criminalize illicit manufacturing and trafficking in firearms.
    Remember that "illicit manufacturing" includes reloading and modifying or assembling a firearm in any way. This would mean that the Obama administration could promulgate regulations banning reloading on the basis of this treaty -- just as it is currently circumventing Congress to write legislation taxing greenhouse gases.

    * Banning gun clubs. Article IV goes on to state that the criminalized acts should include "association or conspiracy" in connection with said offenses -- which is arguably a term broad enough to allow, by regulation, the criminalization of entire pro-gun organizations or gun clubs, based on the facilities which they provide their membership.
    * Extraditing US gun dealers. Article V requires each party to "adopt such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the offenses it has established in accordance with this Convention" under a variety of circumstances.
    We know that Mexico is blaming U.S. gun dealers for the fact that its streets are flowing with blood. And we know it is possible for Mexico to define offenses "committed in its territory" in a very broad way. And we know that we have an extradition obligation under Article XIX of the proposed treaty. So we know that Mexico could try to use the treaty to demand to extradition of American gun dealers.
    Under Article XXIX, if Mexico demands the extradition of a lawful American gun dealer, the U.S. would be required to resolve the dispute through "other means of peaceful settlement."
    Does anyone want to risk twenty years in a sweltering Mexican jail on the proposition that the Obama administration would apply this provision in a pro-gun manner?
    * Microstamping. Article VI requires "appropriate markings" on firearms. And, it is not inconceivable that this provision could be used to require microstamping of firearms and/or ammunition -- a requirement which is clearly intended to impose specifications which are not technologically possible or which are possible only at a prohibitively expensive cost.
    * Gun registration. Article XI requires the maintenance of any records, for a "reasonable time," that the government determines to be necessary to trace firearms. This provision would almost certainly repeal portions of McClure-Volkmer and could arguably be used to require a national registry or database.
    ACTION: Write your Senators and urge them to oppose the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials.
    Please use the Take Action feature below to send your Senators a pre-written e-mail message.
  2. Apr 23, 2009 at 2:45 PM

    beastlytaco Well-Known Member

    Jun 30, 2008
    First Name:
    08 Access Cab SR5
    that just sucks. Im sure the NRA will RAISE HELL. lawfully, can he make an ammendment to get rid of the second amendment? but think about it, if he does do that he will have more than half of our country hating him. Plus, it will make guns EVEN MORE appealing to criminals.
  3. Apr 23, 2009 at 9:31 PM

    bambooshoots Be a fountain, not a drain.

    Jun 29, 2008
    First Name:
    College Station, TX
    2015 Honda Accord Sport
    I did it again. Got tired of paying truck payments and gas and traded in for a 2015 Honda Accord Sport since I enjoyed my 2013 Sport so much.
    Wow, banning RELOADING? What a tool.
  4. Apr 23, 2009 at 9:35 PM

    JeffRock Well-Known Member

    Mar 18, 2009
    Capital region, NY
    09 Tacoma accesscab 4x4 SR5 2.7L
    Toyota all weather floor mats. Mag light that clunks around in the jack compartment. Dog hair. Dog drool on the windows.
    There are so many whacked out gun laws they are trying to push here in New York next week....
    there is an anti gun protest at the NY state capitol on Wednesday.
    I am going to support my second amendment! Hopefully enough pro gun people show up to counter them!

    Just don't wear camo/ hunting gear or refer to a gun as a weapon. it'a only a weapon to a criminal. it's firearm or gun.
    you want to present yourself as a normal citizen!

    Shit's getting crazy!
  5. Apr 23, 2009 at 9:46 PM

    luk8272 Poodoo

    Feb 24, 2008
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    Kaplan, Louisiana
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    I figured this would turn up, when they started with the serialized rounds.

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