1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

all pro bumper effects on handling?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by mgrande, Nov 8, 2009.

  1. Nov 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM
    #1
    mgrande

    mgrande [OP] iKill

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2009
    Member:
    #15830
    Messages:
    5,357
    Gender:
    Male
    Orlando
    Vehicle:
    2011 TRD off road
    Kings, AP 3" leaf pack, timbrens front and rear, TC UCA's, pro comp 7189's, baja ATZ's, CBI sliders and rear, relentless front, dynomax catback
    Hey guys, the time for me to order my lift is getting closer and closer and I need some help. My first question is on the all pro bumper. From what I understand it adds 60lbs to the front of the truck. How does this effect the handling of the vehicle? Cornering, acceleration, braking... I like to drive quick (not unsafely fast, just quick), and I don't want that to be taken away from me. I understand that with a 3'' lift and 285's I'll be alot less quick, which is why new gears and a trd super charger are in my plans. I'm also having a hard time because I've never seen one in person and it seems, everything looks different in person that it does on here. In some pictures this bumper looks BA, in otheres it looks a little wierd. Because I plan on getting an OME lift, I have to plan my spring choice accordingly, making this an even more difficult decision. Any input would be greatly appreaciated:D
     
  2. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM
    #2
    StaticFilter

    StaticFilter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2009
    Member:
    #16228
    Messages:
    716
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jason
    Cedar Hills, UT
    Vehicle:
    2008 Blue FJ Cruiser
    Lifted, N-Fab steps, Roof rack light bar, Grill guard, Volant Snorkel (not installed ye)
    they are badass :)
     
  3. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM
    #3
    Anathollo

    Anathollo www.saveadane.org

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2009
    Member:
    #14071
    Messages:
    1,295
    Gender:
    Male
    Houston
    Vehicle:
    07 Tacoma TRD Sport
    Icon coilovers, Rear Fox Resi-shocks, 285/70/17 Toyo A/T's, Touchscreen JVC Headunit, Custom Rhino-lined sub box, Rocksford Fosgate components and Dual Rockford Fosgate 10" shallow subs, Pioneer and Rocksford Fosgate amps, 1250 watts total, Autometer Volt and Trans gauges with Lotek A-pillar, K&N Drop-in filter, WO Seat covers, Tint, NST WP pulley, Hi-lift jack, Diff breather mod, horn relocation mod, extra "D" rings, de-pinstriped, carrier bearing drop, Rear backup 886 bulbs, Camburg UCA's, AMW Catch can, BHLM, OME Dakars with AAL, Procomp 7089's, Front single hoop Demello bumper, Superwinch Tiger Shark 9500, Amsteel 3/8th synthetic line
    If you're getting the OME lift, you're going to need the 886 coils to handle the extra weight on the front.

    And the bumpers look different because of the different things that people do to them. I think the All Pro bumper looks badass with the prerunner bar and lights, but I hate the look of the All Pro bumper thats just plain with nothing added to it.
     
  4. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM
    #4
    Brunes

    Brunes abides.

    Joined:
    May 31, 2008
    Member:
    #7011
    Messages:
    17,641
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rotorhead
    DC or New Jersey - Depends on the day....
    Vehicle:
    08 Red/Graphite and Satin Black
    Inside: Tint, Wet Okole 1/2 Piped Red/Black Covers, Black Weathertech Digital Fit Mats, URD Short Throw w/ TWM Weighted Knob, USA Spec iPod adapter. Outside: 4300K Retro w/ Angel Eyes and Red Shrouds, 5000K Blazer Fog Light Retrofit, Debadge, Bed Locking Handle, Satin Black Rims Performance: TRD/Steigmeier Blower w/ 2.7 Pulley. 668 Injectors and 320 LPH AEM Fuel pump. URD UCON and 7th Injector. DTLT Headers, URD Y-Pipe, Wicked Flow Muffler. Suspension: Both: OME Shocks Front: 886X's and TC UCAs Rear: Dakars Armor: Relentless Front Bumper Relentless High Clearance Rear w/ Tire/Rotopax Swing Out Relentless Front, Mid, and TCase skids BAMF Diff Skid Recovery and Spares: Fullsize Spare Tire 2x2 gal Rotopax 1x1 gal Rotopax 1x1 gal Water Rotopax Warn 9.5XP-S Winch Hi-Lift Extreme 60" Ironman Off-Road Recovery Kit
    Don't lift, put bigger tires, or put the all pro bumper on if you want to go quick.

    Fixing the gearing and putting a blower on it to keep the speed up is not the right answer.

    You do want the 886 springs for the bumper. And you will feel some difference in the handling- but your opinions/feeling will need to be developed by doing what you want and driving it.
     
  5. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:12 PM
    #5
    Anathollo

    Anathollo www.saveadane.org

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2009
    Member:
    #14071
    Messages:
    1,295
    Gender:
    Male
    Houston
    Vehicle:
    07 Tacoma TRD Sport
    Icon coilovers, Rear Fox Resi-shocks, 285/70/17 Toyo A/T's, Touchscreen JVC Headunit, Custom Rhino-lined sub box, Rocksford Fosgate components and Dual Rockford Fosgate 10" shallow subs, Pioneer and Rocksford Fosgate amps, 1250 watts total, Autometer Volt and Trans gauges with Lotek A-pillar, K&N Drop-in filter, WO Seat covers, Tint, NST WP pulley, Hi-lift jack, Diff breather mod, horn relocation mod, extra "D" rings, de-pinstriped, carrier bearing drop, Rear backup 886 bulbs, Camburg UCA's, AMW Catch can, BHLM, OME Dakars with AAL, Procomp 7089's, Front single hoop Demello bumper, Superwinch Tiger Shark 9500, Amsteel 3/8th synthetic line
    Oh and you're not going to be driving that quick anymore because of the gas bill! haha you'll be wanting to go nice and slow to getter better mpgs! :cool:
     
  6. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:14 PM
    #6
    StaticFilter

    StaticFilter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2009
    Member:
    #16228
    Messages:
    716
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jason
    Cedar Hills, UT
    Vehicle:
    2008 Blue FJ Cruiser
    Lifted, N-Fab steps, Roof rack light bar, Grill guard, Volant Snorkel (not installed ye)
    I wish I had a SC for acceleration, but I'm running 3" lift, 35's and covered in armor so I can't complain much. My top speed has been 114 with this setup. Regearing and an SC would be SWEET but My truck performs just dandy with my current setup.
     
  7. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:17 PM
    #7
    ColtsTRD

    ColtsTRD .....

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Member:
    #17177
    Messages:
    17,826
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Scott
    AZ
    Vehicle:
    2005 TRD DCSB
    Wheres Cliff???
     
  8. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:20 PM
    #8
    THXEY

    THXEY Panda Jerk

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2008
    Member:
    #11614
    Messages:
    12,739
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jacob
    San Diego
    Vehicle:
    2013 Subaru WRX
    STi Short Shifter.OEM floor illumination kit. Rally Armor Mud Flaps. BC BR Coilovers. Invidia N1 Exhaust
    x2!
     
  9. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:21 PM
    #9
    ColtsTRD

    ColtsTRD .....

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Member:
    #17177
    Messages:
    17,826
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Scott
    AZ
    Vehicle:
    2005 TRD DCSB
    :p
     
  10. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:34 PM
    #10
    mgrande

    mgrande [OP] iKill

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2009
    Member:
    #15830
    Messages:
    5,357
    Gender:
    Male
    Orlando
    Vehicle:
    2011 TRD off road
    Kings, AP 3" leaf pack, timbrens front and rear, TC UCA's, pro comp 7189's, baja ATZ's, CBI sliders and rear, relentless front, dynomax catback
    Maybe I should clairify what I mean by "quick". I just tend to be a little faster than most people. Nothing extreme, I dont race, never have. I just tend to accelerate slightly faster than other people driving like women. I completly understand that lifting my truck and putting 285's on it will effect it, but I have to do it. I eat, sleep, and breathe lifting my truck. I wont be happy until it's done. By adding the SC and regearing, I was hoping to offset some of the power loss that comes with the lift, however I have not put much research time into that area YET. Right now I'm still on the suspension, which involves this bumper because as it's already been said, I'd have to choose between 886 or 885 accordingly.
     
  11. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:39 PM
    #11
    StaticFilter

    StaticFilter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2009
    Member:
    #16228
    Messages:
    716
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jason
    Cedar Hills, UT
    Vehicle:
    2008 Blue FJ Cruiser
    Lifted, N-Fab steps, Roof rack light bar, Grill guard, Volant Snorkel (not installed ye)
    If I had the money, I would SC and regear. My truck is fine for a daily driver and I have fun wheeling it also. But if you have money, why not? I have a wife and 7 year old daughter with a possible bun in the oven , so I can't (even though my wife ENCOURAGES me to do whatever i want to my truck, even an SC, I have to be responsible...)
     
  12. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:43 PM
    #12
    MonkeyProof

    MonkeyProof Power Top

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2008
    Member:
    #9774
    Messages:
    9,557
    SoCal- SGV
    who said you'll lose power with a 3" lift and aftermarket springs :facepalm:


    now when adding full armor, 35's ,winch and everything else then yeah...but just a 3" lift :crazy: and a 60 lb bumper wont make a differnce either..maybe adding a 90 lb winch into the mix
     
  13. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM
    #13
    Krazie Sj

    Krazie Sj Resident Jackass

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2008
    Member:
    #9849
    Messages:
    13,686
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Power Serge
    LV-426 (Acheron)
    Vehicle:
    07 TRD Off Road 4x4
    Borla Catback Exhaust, Airaid Short Ram Intake, 285x75R16 Mickey Thompson MTZs, 16" Konig Countersteer rims, ARB Bumper, All Pro LT w/Walker Evan Shocks front and back, All Pro expedition leaf pack, 10,000lb Superwinch, Intake Manifold Spacer, Bed Rack with ARB RTT, Rotopack and Hi Lift mounted, Husky Liner mats and an air freshener from 1995.
    I think that's the weight difference between the stock bumper and the Allpro one.
     
  14. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM
    #14
    StaticFilter

    StaticFilter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2009
    Member:
    #16228
    Messages:
    716
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jason
    Cedar Hills, UT
    Vehicle:
    2008 Blue FJ Cruiser
    Lifted, N-Fab steps, Roof rack light bar, Grill guard, Volant Snorkel (not installed ye)
    awww :mad: that's it, SC and regear for me! All-Pro should chip in since I'm rockin their products! Maybe I can get my work to sponsor my truck hehe
     
  15. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM
    #15
    mgrande

    mgrande [OP] iKill

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2009
    Member:
    #15830
    Messages:
    5,357
    Gender:
    Male
    Orlando
    Vehicle:
    2011 TRD off road
    Kings, AP 3" leaf pack, timbrens front and rear, TC UCA's, pro comp 7189's, baja ATZ's, CBI sliders and rear, relentless front, dynomax catback
    ^ I hear you man, that's why I'm single ;) I'm just iffy about the bumper because from some angles..... But if I could see one in person I could solve the look issue. And then there's the thing about extra wieght in the front. How much of a difference will you feel with one of them and a winch on compared to a regular bumper?
     
  16. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:51 PM
    #16
    mgrande

    mgrande [OP] iKill

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2009
    Member:
    #15830
    Messages:
    5,357
    Gender:
    Male
    Orlando
    Vehicle:
    2011 TRD off road
    Kings, AP 3" leaf pack, timbrens front and rear, TC UCA's, pro comp 7189's, baja ATZ's, CBI sliders and rear, relentless front, dynomax catback
    From what I understood people's trucks seem to be more... sluggish after a lift. I just dont want to be sluggish.

    I haven't looked into winches, still on the bumper ( I try and do things systematically) so I haven't made a decision on one yet. I don't have much use for one, but why have the bumper if you're not gonna get the winch?
     
  17. Nov 8, 2009 at 6:54 PM
    #17
    MonkeyProof

    MonkeyProof Power Top

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2008
    Member:
    #9774
    Messages:
    9,557
    SoCal- SGV
    i think it's the best looking aftermarket bumper out there..but thats not what sold me on choosing the All Pro bumper...

    it's not overbuilt and it's not underbuilt either..the modular 4 piece design thats incorperated into the design is smart money...one of my wheeling buddies has an ARB one piece bumper, 140lb overbuilt one piece design..he bent that sucker on a recent trip, has to replace the whole bumper. plus, the way the winch mounts in the ARB sucks ass..really hard to operate the winch as far as moving the stupid clutch release lever


    All Pro's bumper is one sexy piece of trail armor!...
    [​IMG]


    EDIT: one thing i forgot to mention...All Pro's customer service is second to none..you will not find anyone esle out in the market that will heve better customer service
     
  18. Nov 8, 2009 at 7:00 PM
    #18
    mgrande

    mgrande [OP] iKill

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2009
    Member:
    #15830
    Messages:
    5,357
    Gender:
    Male
    Orlando
    Vehicle:
    2011 TRD off road
    Kings, AP 3" leaf pack, timbrens front and rear, TC UCA's, pro comp 7189's, baja ATZ's, CBI sliders and rear, relentless front, dynomax catback
    Did you notice any changes in handling after you installed it? When I do something I like to do it right the first time, and I defenatley dont want to get this thing and regret it afterwards, or vise versa.
     
  19. Nov 8, 2009 at 7:08 PM
    #19
    MrGrimm

    MrGrimm Mall Crawler

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Member:
    #24568
    Messages:
    2,732
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Dean
    Wisconsin
    Vehicle:
    2006 Toyota Tacoma 4WD w/TRD Sport Package
    See build page
    I havent noticed any handling changes from the bumper itself. The fact that I got rid of the sway bar and the larger tires dont help with the handling.
     
  20. Nov 8, 2009 at 7:12 PM
    #20
    MonkeyProof

    MonkeyProof Power Top

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2008
    Member:
    #9774
    Messages:
    9,557
    SoCal- SGV
    when i first installed the bumper i did it right with a wench and synthetic winch rope..also was on bilstien 5100's in the front and on stock springs..front sagged about a half inch..but that was to be expected, my truck is out somewhere just about everyweekend so those springs were a little stressed haha. only thing i noticed was front end dive when braking really hard. so i would do as suggest above and get the EMU springs at the very least...an actual coil over setup such as Fox, Walker Evans, or Icon would be more ideal as it would give better overall handling and performance attributes
     
To Top