Any PC Builders Out There?

Yeah, I was that friend without a PC I definitely still kept my Xbox, using it very rarely now for games, but it makes a great movie streaming device

 

One thing consoles do is kind of set a target standard for developers. It's a big market, and if you want to get the most sales, a game has to run on a console.

I stuck to PC for quite some time, but then my daughters grew up and became gamers and there was no way I could keep up with maintaining decent performance on 3 gaming PC's. They used to get my hand-me-downs, now I get their hand-me-ups.

 

Furthering that line of thought then, when should developers move the goalposts? When should technology advance and requirements go up?

Indiana Jones is a stunningly beautiful game, I'm glad it's taking full advantage of high end cards and pushing the limits. The minimum specs are five year old equipment, 3600 and 2060 super both came out in 2019. That seems like a reasonable minimum to me, personally.

 

Well don't read too into my post.

Improvements should always be made, that'll always happen. But as we've seen from these last few releases (looking at you nvidia), they're relying more on software/AI/frame generation than anything else.

I mean, you remember back in the days of Crysis right? I remember coming back from Iraq and dropping a nice chunk of change just to build a full-blown SLI build in a full-sized Thermaltake Armor series setup.

If you didn't have a high-end setup, you weren't playing that game. Period.

Even after that, we still had beautiful-looking games that ran well on PC's that weren't running SLI, weren't highly overclocked, etc. Portal is a great example of that.

 

Keep in mind the biggest problem with Indiana Jones is not a lack of optimization like some have claimed. It's the heavy use of unique non repetitive textures and ray tracing. The minimum specs can handle the lower resolution texture package and no ray tracing. If you want high resolution textures and ray tracing, like the game developer intended, then you will need the higher end hardware. There's no magic solution if AAA studios decide not to create software work arounds to lower textures, and I don't call that optimization as much as it is prioritizing newer hardware and the benefits it brings.

This is definitely coming more often in the future. The games will still play on lower end hardware, they just won't be nearly as pretty. I think people forget when nVidia brought out their new form of tessellation and AA about 10-15 years ago. The same thing happened. Older cards were immediately handicapped, and lower end new cards played the games fine but the resolution needed to be turned down to use the newer features, which isn't ideal.

 

I also remember that within a generation we could play the game at ultra without SLI just fine (The 680), and the card cost less than $400. It's crazy that the equivalent card is now over $1K and we haven't seen the 30-50% gains generation on generation like that since. AFAIK the 600/700 series were the last GPUs designed for gaming first and professional work later. Since then, it's be prosumer/data center designs that are shoehorned into being gaming GPUs, sometimes good and sometimes bad.

 

Yeah I didn't want to get into specifics because, well, I'm not versed at all with software development or anything.

My use of the word optimization is probably a bad one, but yeah you summed up what I was getting at.

The use of hardware by developers will also (naturally) have a hand in this whole thing as well.

Those new AMD cards are looking much more appealing though...

 

Think Huang kind of implied that when he mentioned many of us having "$10,000 dollar systems"

There's a whole lot of us that just want to game, nothing more.

 

Yeah, supposedly in an interview someone from AMD confirmed that the early reviews people saw were actually driver handicapped by 20% in order to thwart any corporate espionage at the AIB level. That would make these new numbers legit, which is crazy if true. I'm worried they'll price them too high though, they need the 9070XT to beat the 5070 cleanly and sit $50 under it in price point to move the needle IMHO.

 

I have a good X3D chip and AMDs class leading card. I did not spend $10K lol. I think my system was around $3K. $10K is obscene and, yeah, it's pretty rare to see those builds outside of streamers who get paid to play.

 

Right, $3k should be at the top end for high-end gaming.

Corresponds closely to what was closely a $2k rig some 15 years ago. I'm glad I kept mine lol.

But these GPU prices (from nvidia) are insane when you compare their raw performance to previous generation cards as you noted earlier.

 

I will say I completely fluked on my monitor though. It's the first gen QD OLED panel in a Dell monitor. I love it. I was officially $1200, but then Dell forgot to leave it out of the 15% off monitor sale they had when they launched it, so I paid around $1K. I used my business account to throw it on financing since I was a bit tight at the time but knew I was getting a bonus in a few months. Dell ended up screwing something on their side up with the Canadian government which resulted in them losing their ability to continue finance plans. They offered me 40% off my outstanding balance if I cleaned up the account, or I'd have the balance transferred to another third party credit company to complete the loan. So all in all I got about 55% off my new monitor lol.

 

"the kind you have to lock up when you walk away"

lol

that was a ridiculous statement, but i wouldn't be surprised if most of the people at CES have systems like that.

 

Y'all see this?

https://youtu.be/IKbFBgNuEOU?si=FkYcgREFArTpIxE7

 

Nah, skipped it. I hear he wasted another minute getting tilted at Linus again though. Steve needs to leave that alone, constantly trying to have beef with LTT because they setup a lab is getting old.

 

Ah, I'm not that far.

So far it just seems to be covering Honey's practices, how people are affected, etc.

 

I don't know who that foo is, but I like Linus tech tips.

The graphics on the Indiana Jones game are really good. There's a few YouTube videos showing pc vs xbox series x. The xbox series x does a really good job considering the specs are a lot lower than most high end pcs these days.

 

I'm pretty much 100% computer illiterate, But I'm trying to bring back an old laptop from the dead. It still works, just extremely slowly.. I probably shouldn't have, but I ended up ordering an SSD for it, And now I'm wondering if that will even make it usable. Is there anything else I can do to make it work faster and more efficiently? The SSD apparently comes with Windows 10 already installed, although I'm not sure if the laptop can even support Windows 10, since I'm currently using it and I feel like it made it slower. Some older forums online said that The processor might not be able to handle Windows 10.It's an Asus k60ij if it matters.

My apologies if this is not the best place to ask this question.

 

Are you guys really interested in the 5series GPU’s?

most of the sweatlords I know are not interested in fake frames and are trying to scoop up 4080/90’s. (Edit: most of them are already ON 4080/90’s really but are very skeptical of the 5 series since it’s major draw is dlss4 and the frame gen)

Im sure it will be great for cinematic/pve gaming, but most certainly not for competitive pvp stuff.