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ARB bumper: how necessary are recovery points?

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by TacomaSox, Jan 24, 2019.

  1. Jan 24, 2019 at 4:52 PM
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    TacomaSox

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    I recently purchased an '03 DCSB tacoma and am looking to start building it out. I love the classic land cruiser type look of the ARB bumper, however noticed that they no longer build the bumper with recovery points. I'm new to offroading, having only run on some logging roads and the Golden Loop where there weren't any serious obstacles, and am wondering how necessary the front recovery points are.

    I'm planning on using the truck to go on adventures and explore places I couldn't otherwise get, but don't plan on any heavy rock crawling.

    Don't think I'll purchase in the near term until I start exploring more over the summer, just trying to get an idea of how regularly they are used and how viable it is to find solutions without them.

    Photo for attention, first time taking the taco "offroad" on the Golden Loop

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  2. Jan 24, 2019 at 4:56 PM
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    What are you thinking of for recovery points? I picked one up late last year from 4Wheel and it has a couple spots for shackles for hooks in the front. I dig mine and really like the old school look they give. It is a bit heavy though and will probably upgrade springs at some point

    edit: great looking first gen!
     
  3. Jan 24, 2019 at 5:00 PM
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    I rebuild Tacoma trucks. All have to go on a frame machine. They are always anchored by the factory recovery hooks.

    I have a ARB bumper. I will always pull on the factory recovery points. Seriously they are that strong.
     
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  4. Jan 24, 2019 at 5:02 PM
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    ARB sells a reinforced front recovery point its a bit spendy but well made.
    Still irks me they dont put two recovery points on the front like most bumpers.
     
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    All the mild trails and some of the moderate on trailsoffroad.com are doable stock. I’d get the truck out more and see how you feel, that money might be better spent on suspension first. I ran Kingston peak with the Old man emu suspension and no armor without issue

    I’m just assuming from the pic that golden loop is Colorado
     
  6. Jan 24, 2019 at 6:33 PM
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  7. Jan 24, 2019 at 6:56 PM
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    most aftermarket bumpers should have recovery points integrated in them. I'm building a CBI bumper (the DIY one) that comes with beefy recovery points integrated into the plate bumper, and I'm considering keeping the oem hook just for an extra point if needed (a hook offers a quick and dirty location to throw a strap if needed)
     
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  8. Jan 24, 2019 at 7:14 PM
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    IIRC, the points on the front of the 1st gen ARB bumpers are limited in how they can be used for a recovery. I seem to recall them being a point that you could connect a shackle to hi-lift off of, not a connection point for yanking or snatching. They're not very beefy and one of mine is bent a little from running the winch back to it on an angled pull. My understanding is that ARB stopped using them on the newer generations due to issues with how the frames are designed up front. The frame can handle a steady progressive load like from a winch, but snatching doesn't work very well due to the height of the bumper above the frame rails. It's honestly been a while since I've looked into it, so my details might be off. The best way to find out is to drop ARB a line. They've always been responsive to my questions.

    Also, if you're planning on putting any sort of winch bumper on the front of your 1st gen, you really should do the endcap mod first. Both of my endcaps were pooched out and cracked after a couple winch sessions in deep snow.
     
  9. Jan 25, 2019 at 5:31 AM
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    Thanks for all the quick responses!

    This is the link I'm looking at now for the bumper on 4WP, and while it does say "tow points" in the description, I'm not seeing the two dedicated recovery points available on most bumpers. (https://www.4wheelparts.com/p/arb-deluxe-bar-black-3423020/_/R-BHWQ-3423020)
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    I did some searching online and found this forum (https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/arb-bumper-issue.87008/) where someone reached out to ARB with my same question and got the below response (might not be for first gen though):

    "the reason that bumper doesn't have recovery points built in is due to the very light nature of the frame out near where the bumper connects to the chassis. Specifically, our engineers designed the bracket to accept controlled winch loads which rarely exceed 10,000lbs, but could not build a system that would work correctly with the crush rates for the airbags and tolerate snatch type loads (which spike extremely fast and often exceed 25,000lbs) at the same time. This is why the factory recovery point is reused since it's back further on the frame and much more robust in design. Unfortunately very few modern vehicles have sufficient structure and strength in the frame horns to allow for solid recovery points to be added along with the bar. You pretty much have to get to fullsize trucks to find a serious frame and rigs like the Tacoma are just too car like in engineering to allow us to include recovery points even when we would like too."

    I think best route is probably for me to reach out as well and see what they say.



    Thanks for the advice, that's my goal overall. I'm mostly looking to get an idea of what I want in the future to start scanning craigslist now to see if I can nab anything cheap used. Planning on starting with new wheel's & tires are first, closely followed by (if not at the same time) suspension and seeing where that takes me

    Never heard of the end cap mod before, will definitely check out!

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  12. Jan 25, 2019 at 11:48 AM
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    They never had recovery points. Because AUS law requires recovery points be frame mounted. That's why they have that beefy bolt on one.
     
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    Nothing to get excited about
    1st gen bumpers do.

     
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    Interesting. I'll have to go look and see when they passed that law. Prob had to be right around when the 2nd gen came out then.
     
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    Maybe. I know ARB makes a recovery point for 2005 and later.

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    Resurrecting this thread as I don't feel the OP's question was fully answered about the necessity of a front point when doing average off-roading. I imagine that when doing more serious off-roading on tight trails, there will come a time when the rear can't be accessed. For people who forked over the 250$ for the ARB or 100$ for the CBI shackle point find that they use them enough to justify the cost? Thanks.
     
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    On second look, I have a third gen and guess it wouldn't hurt to reach out to ARB directly to get a clear answer on the frame's capabilities. But any more info on the utility of these points would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    So, I just bought and installed a brand new ARB bumper on my first gen. It has two holes on the front to mount D rings. That being said, the ARB attaches to crumple zones and then to your frame. This allows the airbags to deploy in a wreck. The issue is that if it takes a big hit with a recovery situation, it could break or bend the crumple zones. Essentially, recover at your own risk.
     
  19. Mar 18, 2019 at 6:13 PM
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    I second this.. I also use the factory recovery points on the front. For rear recovery, it’s a different conversation but if you have a tow hitch, never put a strap around a ball, it is only rated for constant loads. Use the clavis pin for a tow package.. you can safely pull with a strap loop around that through the empty hitch.

    when in doubt, use the factory recovery points on front end.
     
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  20. Mar 18, 2019 at 9:19 PM
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    I thought the front would be fine but I am reading through some older threads and not thinking they are as strong as sometimes thought.


     

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