Auto vs Manual which one is stronger?

Auto

 

Yes, lots of big trucks are coming with autos, allisons I believe, best in the industry. Bigger truck fleets just haven't switched over, lots of the truckers haven't got the feel for an auto in a big truck yet and still find them unreliable. But the way the allison works, it is just like a manual. My old man's got a duramax with one and towing with it is a bliss, you can put it in manual mode and manually shift it with a button on the shifter, towing 10,000lbs is cakewalk.

 

Yes it is. And it's a huge difference

But a manual is still more reliable. And will last a long time. If you're keeping the truck forever. Changing clutches is cheaper than rebuilding the transmission.

Lock up torque converter makes an auto nearly as efficient.

I'm not familiar with Toyota's case design and dimensions so I can't speak to its strength. But loss of oil pressure in an auto means gear failure. They use a bunch of internal clutch packs and planetary gear sets and depend on hydraulic pressures.

Manual uses a shaft and counter shaft and usually doesn't need oil pressure... like a diff...


As for saying the trans was designed for a v8... it very merry have, but Toyota undoubtedly would use cheaper clutches and well, probably is not the same exact trans. It's fairly ignorant to say a trans in another car is strong so it will be strong in mine.

My old jeep grand used a 545rfe same model as the 2500 dodge v8... but that doesn't mean it's super beastly.

Great ratios, oil coolers, internal gear strength usually all vary and for good reason.

A strong auto usually shifts pretty hard and isn't comfortable. Pls it's more expensive and can add stress to your drive train by transmitting to much force to fast.

Last I checked, turbo tacoma's were having problems with auto and none with manuals. Which is why I chose a manual so I can run a supercharger and bigger tires with lesser adverse reactions.

 

then don't

It is fairly ignorant to speak about Toyota automatics when you don't know
anything about them

Toyota uses the same clutch plates as every other maker using the same transmission. The difference between vehicles of varying power outputs for the same transmission housing is how many clutch plates are in the stack.

there are variances of 1,2,3 and sometimes 4 plates added to the stack

 

The Allison is NOTHING like a manual. Very similar to aisin auto's.

An auto big rig is nothing like a tacoma. It's the dmax that makes it nice... I had a 750rwhp ppump Cummins...left it in 5th and it towed 15k above 110mph easily. But how is that relevant. It's not. I never shifted.

Diesel sled pullers typically use manual type trans cause, well, auto's explode under them.

Why don't race cars use auto trans? Instead of automated dual clutch

But all this is irrelevant. It's a baby pickup.


Manual for longevity and mountain roads and towing. Auto for flat driving.

And yes I have a 6sp 4L double cab. Very rare and had to order it. I hate is parking brake.

 

Auto

 

So the clutch packs differ in strength

Thanks for being helpful is acknowledging that

 

Or is it not cheaper to use less


Thank you for attempting to correct me. Now you may attack my phone auto correct and inability to see what exactly I am typing

 

If strength is an issue for autos... http://www.importperformancetrans.com/

 

Daily driver def auto.

 

Only in America really, Europe still drives everything manual and automatics over there are as rare as manuals here. My take on it, automatic for the V6, manual for the 4 cylinder.

 

I'd like to see a tug-o-war between a manual and an auto. Same everything else. Who would win? lol

 

I've owned nothing but manuals, had some problems with my 89 model hilux with sincros going out and on my kning cab I hit a speed bump and and part of my shifter fork fell in the gears, transmission still ran and shifted but made a horrible grinding noise. That said I will still get a manual, my old trucks were over 200K miles at that time. My 87 hilux never had one problem with over 300K miles. I know not tacomas, but still asin transmissions from back in the day.

 

Transmission wouldn't matter there. haha. Whichever ones rear diff blows up first would lose. They seem to be the weak link in these Tacomas.

 

Auto is better for towing, mudding, sand, & daily driving. Not sure why anyone would buy a manual in a truck. I owned a couple of manual 4x4s. Once I went auto I never looked back. Anyone who has ever hit a deep mud hole and had to downshift a manual would agree. Ever try rocking a manual? Manuals are for race and high performance cars. I think everyone else has covered the strength ?.

 

I would think the auto would have a big advantage in this case. You could both be in gear with the brake (and clutch) engaged, but as soon as you say "GO!" the guy on auto is going to start moving right away, where the guy with the manual doesn't have a matching power ratio until clutch is all the way released right? By that time he should be headed backwards with little/no hope of getting equal traction since momentum favors the fast start.. unless he peels out of course or traction control does something screwy. Can you even have a tug-o-war anymore?

 

Manual is better.

 

Define "better".

Modern automatics can get better gas mileage and don't make you insane in traffic. 1st, second, neutral.. 1st, second, neutral.. and repeat for the next hour and a half.

Granted a sports car is way more fun with a manual imho.

 

If that works out then powerbraking the auto would give you all the more advantage as well. haha Let's go test drive some Tacomas at a dealership haha

Just turn traction control off and problem solved.

 

Too many tests and competitions that aren't accurate proposed. If one didn't brake or fail then there is no loser.
What if an auto lost a hose and oil then failed? Does it mean its weaker? Not really. Perhaps a closed course load of 1500lb in the bed and tow a 7000lb trailer... yes over rating... run it day and night till one fails. And still the failure might just be something not likely or common and make an inaccurate test.

CVT Tacoma in 2015 , get ready.













jk on the cvt.