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Aww yea 5100's & 885's!

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Tacoluver, Nov 5, 2009.

  1. Nov 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM
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    Hoyal

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    To the OP Id listen to what the people are telling you on here, hell If you came in with the lack of knowledge that you are showing I would have offered you blinker fluid and a bag of cow crap and told you it would make your truck ride smoother. Because if the sales man said it.. Its gotta be true..
     
  2. Nov 5, 2009 at 6:46 PM
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    to save $500 bucks youre running the risk of serious injury/death

    awesome choice
     
  5. Nov 5, 2009 at 7:08 PM
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    This is my next purchse. I have the 5100's and LR UCA's already but getting the 885 and the top plate spacers from Toytec. And I will most assuredly be setting the 5100's at 0"
     
  6. Nov 5, 2009 at 8:22 PM
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    Once again thank you all for your concern. After owning and modding a WRX and an STI for over 6 years I would have never gotten this much concern from other forum members on other message boards. So thanks again.

    Thank you "solus 694" finally someone who can give me first hand advice on the same exact setup I have. Thanks for confirming that these are not 3" springs by themselves, Wheelersoffroad describes these as 1.75", Toytec describes these as 2", and you are reporting 2.7". Yes I am aware that caster will be out because I already have a 3" lift and the truck wanders a bit on the highway but it is liveable. But how can you honestly say that down travel is vrtually non-existant when set at 0"? You also say that it will be stiffer than with stock springs which I expected keeping in mind that stock spring rate is 590 vs. an OME spring rate at 640, however, these struts are better valved to handle these springs. Now I do understand that by compressing them further via setting them at the .85" height will increase the spring rate even further. And it appears from all the responses shock travel will be further limited. Exactly how much other than: "to shit," "fucked," non-existant," ":popcorn:," and "on the side of the road." I guess I'll never know unless I call Bilstein. And another mystery in which I still haven't gotten an answer on is the little top plate spacer. This should have absolutely no effect on spring rate or strut travel. It will however push the entire strut assembly further away from the strut tower (1/2" I think) causing the UCA's to have to have to operate further away from what it was designed but easily fixed with aftermarket UCA's as you mentioned.

    So all that being said, realize I am not a moron just someone looking for real answers about why it won't work rather thank just don't do it and Chris says it's no good.

     
  7. Nov 5, 2009 at 8:38 PM
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    Wheelers off road lists the OLD lift heights of the 885 springs. A few years ago, OME began pre stressing the 885's, and they have all been right at or close to 3" lift. Why they havent updated, or continue to give those lift number is beyond me. Also, the 885 springs have a rate of 590#. Preloaded at .43" (.85" lift), thats gonna be closer to around 670#. The OEM springs are a 540# rate. Obviously you know that by lifting, you are taking away down travel. The stock truck has about 8" of travel. By lifting 3", you now have 1" of down travel. By lifting another .85", and adding a 1/2" via a spacer, you now have no down travel. And by adding the top plate spacer, you are efectivly lengthening the shock/spring assembly, and by doing so, when rebounding, the assembly will rebound further than the ball joint/UCA will allow. The UCA WILL stop the shock at that point, but given the new length, and spring rate, the shock will want to continue down. 2 things may happen. 1. The shock/spring will not be able to go down as the UCA has stopped it, and the ride will simply be more firm, or 2. upon rebound, the UCA will stop downward travel of the shock/spring, and the shock will break.
     
  8. Nov 5, 2009 at 8:46 PM
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    Which is why everyone says listen to Chris..... :)
     
  9. Nov 5, 2009 at 8:55 PM
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    Awesome info, thanks Chris! Now I understand that these springs are a true 3" lift spring and not 1.75"-2". But it appears that they have some height variance depending on truck. I guess I wasn't aware that these struts were so limited in travel. I will make a safe call tomorrow when doing the install.
    Thanks again members! Major difference here vs. other auto forums. Cheers!

     
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    Cool glad you figured it out and everyone stayed chill. Post pictures!!!
     
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    thank u brother... still not done... but when are we ever done lol... haha
     
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    I think the only way to tell if you have the newer version of the OME885 springs is to check the part number. When you get new springs, there should be a tag on a coil that has the part number. Older versions were simply "OME885" whereas the newer versions are "OME885X". I talked to ARB about this when I received one of each type of springs in a box (their is still old stock floating around out there). The OME885X are the new versions and they have a higher Nickel content. This effectively makes them lighter and stronger...less chance of sag.

    Let us know what you end up doing. I'm in the same boat as well. Going to be replacing my current setup (stock Bilsteins, OME884, and 1/4" Toytec spacer) with a new setup (Bilstein 5100s and OME885). I'm contemplating setting the 5100s at 0 and using the 1/4" spacer.
     
  16. Nov 5, 2009 at 10:57 PM
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    And here's a picture of my spring showing the p/n with a X at the end.

    DSCF4534_c81c464172002fda5c0b73ca90757c9219c13e1c.jpg
     
  17. Nov 5, 2009 at 11:38 PM
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    Chris4x4 has first hand experience too... I listened to him.

    When my LR UCA come around I will include the 1/4" spacer on my Bilsteins (@ 0) and 885 coils. Other than that I would not attempt to run the Bilsteins with 885 OME coils @ .85. When set at zero my down travel is limited but its adequate. Now like Chris said, you will be sucking up all of you down travel set at .85 w/ 885 coils.

    If you already have all this stuff than you should just match my setup... it rides fine and if you add some UCAs its good to go.

    good luck,


    My question to Chris4x4 is... I can put the 1/4" spacer on when I install my LR UCAs right? and shouldn't have any problems?
     
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