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Back with another frame. Need your opinion please

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by Mrguitarguy01, Aug 14, 2017.

  1. Aug 15, 2017 at 8:13 PM
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    onakat

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    true, but the oposite can also happen.

    Cars are made to be driven, so a car that isn't driven often can sometimes break due to lack of use.
    Just like handbrakes get seized due to lack of use
     
  2. Aug 15, 2017 at 8:19 PM
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    True, but I'm coming from the angle of something like hoses and such or engine related. I know the 3.4's are solid but more miles usually more issue.

    Its all a gamble, but low mileage usually means a better chance of more reliability.
     
  3. Aug 16, 2017 at 4:34 AM
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    Here is another frame to look at (not for sale), just for comparison. To clear all confusions and questions, this is 22 years old California frame with zero rust moved to "cold state" area 9 months ago so it was sprayed with fluid film about 4 months ago. So what you need to look is stuff like bubbled surface or rotted welds.

    frame01.jpg

    frame02.jpg

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    For comparison with "other trucks" shown here here are bolts coming down through the vehicle body.

    frame05.jpg


    Now I just realized I f*** up and did not take care of fuel tank skid plate. So here is used to be clean rust free just after 9 months living "cold state" when not protected by fluid film.

    frame06.jpg

    You can see surface rust already in some places, tomorrow I will find out how it looks from the top when I remove it for inspection.
     
  4. Aug 16, 2017 at 7:07 AM
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    We should have a sticky with frames and grades we assign to them.
     
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  5. Aug 16, 2017 at 7:58 AM
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    I'd agree that from a "wear and tear" perspective, the expectation would be that there is still a long useful life for those components. Also consider that these trucks are around 15 years old, some 20, and that age will also take its toll on components, driven or not driven. I know I would not want to drive at highway speeds on tires as old as the truck (however, that is not a very likely scenario).

    I would be much more interested in the trucks maintenance history and prior owners driving habits. But this is not always available, although Carfax and the like are very helpful. That's all I had when I bought my '03 from an out of state dealer with about 145K miles. It is a gamble to an extent. My track record with prior Tacomas from a mechanical perspective (not rust) was very good, and the truck's reputation was a big plus.

    My experience with my '03 has been about what I expected. The usual wear and tear/age related items (A/F & O2 sensors, coil pacs, emission system components, cat back exhaust, e brake cable, calipers, inner/outer TREs, and probably some things I have forgotten about or still need to do (leaky steering rack). I wouldn't want to own this truck if I could not do all my own repair work and normal maintenance.
     
  6. Aug 16, 2017 at 9:36 AM
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    Probably the worst thing besides lack of maintenance is "redneck maintenance". I've seen things like that also in dealer's lot. Missing bolts or wrong substitute bolts, zip-tie substituting for clips are the obvious clues about the bad care.

    I had Sienna which I bought used still with factory warranty where the rattling fuel rail was fastened with imperial nut over factory metric stud. I was glad it was rattling because the PO did not force the nut all the way saving the thread on the stud. You have to be prepared to inherit shit like that when buying the used car.
     
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  7. Aug 16, 2017 at 11:01 PM
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    It's clearly been painted, but the frame on this one doesn't look bad to me at all. Nor do the other parts that tend to rust along with the frame; eg wheels, skid plats, etc. unless you live in arizona or new mexico (or the truck was owned and maintained by Jerry in So Cal), finding a 1st gen truck with no rust on the original frame will be impossible...
     
  8. Aug 17, 2017 at 9:10 PM
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  9. Aug 18, 2017 at 5:59 AM
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    I'm guessing fluid film has to be sprayed on every other yr?
     
  10. Aug 18, 2017 at 6:05 AM
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    Op: Look at some of the bigger cities in the south...Atlanta, Tampa, St. Petersburg, look in Texas etc. Should be able to find some in a non rust state.
     
  11. Aug 18, 2017 at 7:07 AM
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    My plan is to do it every 6 months - before the winter and after the winter. Before the winter I'm planning to pressure wash all dust, dirt and mud from inside and outside the frame. Pressure washing obviously will wash out the fluid film so after the washing I will need to apply it again to protect the frame from the wet, salty season. After the winter I will pressure wash the truck again to remove any trace of salty dust and mud from the guts of the frame. And apply fluid film again.

    Toyota service in Poland can sell me any part of my truck, this is what they said. So if something breaks I can repair it. But they can't give me new frame if it gets destroyed. From what I read on this forum swapping the frame is the most expensive repair this truck can get. And with lack of original parts (frame parts) it would be only a patchwork, not repair that would bring the truck to the original state.

    For the first treatment of my two trucks (2012 4Runner and 95.5 Tacoma) I used 3/4 box of fluid film (9 cans 400ml) so it would cost me around 100 bucks per truck per year. Normally untreated frame will rust through in 10 years or less so the calculation is easy: 1000 dollars for 10 years of treatment or 10 000 dollars for frame replace.

    Actually I will probably switch from Fluid Film AS-R (spray can) to NAS (same thing just in the bottle and needs gun to apply). NAS is about 2 times cheaper and the price difference will pay for the cost of gun in the first year.
     
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    Might want to verify with them, or oem dealers here on TW, about those sectional parts. I haven't yet.

    Every 6 months? doesn't sound bad. I'm gonna try to remove the bed and sand off any rust I can get to , por15 all areas that were sanded, and lay down fluid film.
     
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    I am in Texas, and I have looked. It is definitely an act of persistence.
     
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    It can take a while... It takes a LOT of diligence to stay with it, but TRUST me, it'll be worth it to you in the end...

    I even replaced my interior carpet, insulated it and super cleaned the complete inside.

    Most things are "fixable" but at the end of the day, the LAST think you want to do is replace a frame (unless Toyota is paying for it)....
     
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    Also, look on here. It may have some higher miles than you'd probably like, but it'll be taken care of and probably already have some extras that you won't have to do.

    Just a thought, and just trying to help.

    Where in Texas are you? I look in Houston time to time just to see what's there, and I'll keep my eye open for you.
     
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    Most of these pictures are taken in the wrong place. You need to see the inside of the frame channel and the gas tank side is usually the worst. Here is my gen 1 before I scrapped it so you can see where specifically you should concentrate:
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    Gas tank side is harder to get a good photo of:
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    This is the first area I check. I think it's the most prone to rust.
     
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    I look all over. Im in central tx. I appreciate that.
     
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