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Basic, Reliable Pistol?

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by lsocoee, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. Jun 30, 2008 at 11:34 AM
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    lsocoee

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    I'd like to get a handgun for home/self defense. Cost is an issue...How much should I be expecting to spend and what should I be looking at?

    I know very little about guns, so pardon the dumb questions.
     
  2. Jun 30, 2008 at 11:59 AM
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    IMHO

    Home self defense for someone not well practiced with a pistol is best accomplished with the good old fashioned 12 guage shotgun loaded with #4 bird shot. A new mossberg 500 is less than $300
     
  3. Jun 30, 2008 at 12:00 PM
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    it's really more for when I'm driving on a road trip.
     
  4. Jun 30, 2008 at 12:14 PM
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    Aah.... In that case a double action revolver. I like S&W in 357 magnium because you can practice with low power low recoil 38 special ammo but use .38 +P or even full .357 loads when you feel you need to make holes in something tougher than paper targets. New retails in the 500 to 600 dollar range but used can be a lot less.

    That's the short version, I have a lot of reasons for my choices and can explain them if you want the details.
     
  5. Jun 30, 2008 at 1:24 PM
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    :thumbsup: Ditto to what Roland said. It's the same advice I would give.
     
  6. Jun 30, 2008 at 1:30 PM
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    why a revolver?
     
  7. Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM
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    A revolver has fewer moving parts and is easier to maintain. It can remain loaded for a lifetime (With an empty chamber under the hammer please) without weakening the springs.

    An automatic pistol's ammo is fed by a spring loaded magazine. If left full of ammo for extended periods the spring can get weak and cause malfunctions.

    Revolvers are easier for the novice to use. Pick it up, aim, squeeze.

    Automatic pistols have safetys, slides, magazine releases which you have to be intimately familiar with before attempting to use it under the stress of a life or death situation.

    Revolvers cost less than the equivalent quality automatic.

    Revolver practice ammunition is less expensive because you can use a lower powered round for practice. Lower powered loads are also more pleasant to shoot than combat loads. Lower cost and not getting beat up by the gun = more likely to practice enough to be a good enough shot to save your life.

    Reduced power loads can cause problems with an automatic.
     
  8. Jun 30, 2008 at 2:00 PM
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    Just a heads up Iso, everyone is gonna give you opinions as to what they personally like but everyone likes a different feel. You need to get out there and really get a feel for what you like and what feels good to you. I am going to recommend you not get a revolver for many reasons one of them being your round capacity is crap. Some people like them.. I think they are out dated and I would never carry one into a shit storm.

    I would look into the Springfield XD series as well as the HK .45 / HK USP series. Extremely reliable with great round capacity as well as be incredible accurate out the box. I've put about 10,000 rounds through my XD .45 4" so far without a single mis function.

    But like I said at the start don't take my word for it get out there and shoot them yourself so you can decide what feels good to you. If you have any questions at all feel free to ask.
     
  9. Jun 30, 2008 at 2:25 PM
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    In a combat situation I completely agree. In real world self defense with few exceptions 1 or 2 rounds are all that get fired.

    That would put you firmly out of the category of a novice. An experianced shooter will be well served by either of the guns mentioned....or a revolver unless you've somehow stepped into the middle of a gang war. :D
     
  10. Jun 30, 2008 at 5:45 PM
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    So can an Auto, with a round in the chamber. :)

    I have a Glock that has been loaded for the last 12 years. Still functions 100% :)

    Just like a Glock or Sig. :)

    Ahem...Glocks and Sigs dont. :)

    Have you piced a Smith & Wesson? :eek:

    Same can be said with autos. :)

    Not true. In a Revolver, if your round is under powered, it can stop inside the barrel. If this goes unnoticed and you pull the trigger again, you will break the gun. In an auto, as there is no cylynder gap bleeding psi. off the round, this is less likely to hapen. :)

    All this input is just MHO, as I have been around weapons of ALL kinds my entire life.
     
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    I couldn't agree more with Roland, as a matter of fact with his experience and background I would call this gospel. :pray:
     
  12. Jun 30, 2008 at 7:03 PM
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    Everyone has a valid point. However, if the intent is to carry as a side arm for protection and not becoming a gun nut, I would say a revolver. If you can't hit something after 6 shots you have no business carring a gun. you will become the threat to society more than the attacker.

    Don't get me wrong, I love semi autos but a revolver is the most reliable and easiest to maintain. the likelyness of a round getting lodged in the barrel of a revolver is far less likely than an auto jamming. Assuming the revolver is not a cheap one.

    Also, if you take one of each that is of high quality, the likeliness of the revolver failing is much less likely if the owner is careless in cleaning and maintaining
     
  13. Jun 30, 2008 at 7:06 PM
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    Hey Chris!

    lsocoee was asking about a cost sensitive gun for a novice. There are a LOT of fantastic guns out there. Heck I've shot most of the major brands and owned S&W, Ruger, Springfield Armory, Remington, Winchester, Anschutz, Colt, Mossberg and a couple oddballs. :D As a competitive shooter, combat arms instructor and NRA rifle/pistol instructor I've fired hundreds of thousands of rounds and supervised millions of rounds being fired over the years.

    While I would not store or carry a gun with a round in the chamber or suggest that to a novice gun owner I know a number of good shooters that do. Based on their level of expertise I have no doubt they are safe. It's a personal choice to be made by an experienced shooter

    I assume your glock's mag has been used a number of times over the years and (hopefully) rotated with other mags. Funny thing about mechanical devices is that they tend to keep working right up until the point they stop. Murphy's law says that if it happens it will be at an inopportune time. :p

    I mentioned a used gun as an alternitive to new. Last time I was in the gun shop there were several nice used S&Ws for about half the price of new.

    I mentioned low powered loads, specifically .38 special for practice NOT under powered loads. No commercially produced .38 special round will have a problem making it out of even an 8" revolver barrel. I said nothing about reloading which if not done correctly can be dangerous. (Under powered loads are the result of a hand loader not knowing how to use a balance beam scale. I've seen it happen to a guy who fired 3 rounds and was wondering why there were no holes in the target, they were lined up in his barrel..... He sold the reloading gear.)

    Edit: P.S. When did Glock and Sig do away with slides and magazine releases? ;)
     
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    LOL, Hey Roland! I was mearly playing "semi Auto" devils advocate. Your advice is sound, for sure. Just wanting to show that Auto's are not a bad "first" option. Upon putting down my dinner and reading what I wrote, Yes, you are correct that my Sigs and Glocks DO, in fact, have slide release and mag release levers. I brain farted. :eek:
     
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    Hey lso-what prompted the sudden desire to get a weapon??
     
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    Can't go wrong with a Glock. They're reliable as hell and you can get great prices on them new or used. Go to a range where you can rent pistols and try them out. Go with what works best in your hand. I love the 1911's, Sigs ,and Glocks. All different though!!!
     
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    This is a very very reliable firearm. It is very easy to use. It is light, and pretty easy to conceal. It is rated for +P so has plenty of stoping power when the time comes (hopefully it never does). It is easy to maintain, easy to clean, and has a clean look. Crimson Trace laser grips are also avaliable for them which would only help in a high stress self defense situation. It has a clean cut design that dosnt snag on clothes when being pulled out.

    That is what I use for personal carry. In the home, I have a M1911A1, right beside my 642. I trust both to be excellent firearms and I think thats saying something as I rely on that 642 to protect myself, and my wife and unborn child. As far as cost goes, I would say that you get what you pay for. I would say look to spend around 400 dollars give +or- 50. Remember, when it comes to your life, and the lives of your family, you may want to ask if it was worth saving that 100bucks.

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    a fight with my wife.

    Just kidding...I've been wanting a gun for years, and I'd feel safer going on long road trips if I had a firearm. I doubt my wife will go for it, but I'm going to start the wife approval process and hopefully she gives in eventually.
     
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    "a fight with my wife."

    Man I'm sorry but I don't find that funny in the least. Way too much spousal abuse going around.

    Ok then, as another person with a lot of firearms experiemce I too would recommend a .357 caliber revolver. Some of the Smith's can be had with a 7 round cylinder. If you're not going to get a CCW then get a 4" barrel.

    Whatever you wind up with the most important thing is practice with it. You can start out with less expensive .38special ammo then shoot some .357 magnum target load. But don't forget to practice with your carry load as well.

    Personally I carry a Springfield XD SC in 9mm. The XDs have been the most reliable semi-autos I've ever owned. I own 3 of them. The SC, a 4" 9mm and a 4" .45auto. The 4" 9 is stashed in the house and the .45 is my bedside gun. It is equipped with a TLR-2 light/laser combo.

    Good luck with the wife.
     
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