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Better on road handling/cornering

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by SaltyPizza, Aug 16, 2020.

  1. Aug 16, 2020 at 9:33 PM
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    SaltyPizza

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    Id like to stiffen up my ride/decrease roll a bit more. I’ll admit I’m more of an onroad speeder than an off-roader. I’m looking into upgrading my rear sway bar to a Hellwig 7744 sway bar. I’ve read some have seen improvements w this with handling/cornering.
    Any advice/thoughts?
     
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  2. Aug 16, 2020 at 9:37 PM
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    That’s a first. Should’ve gotten a sport instead. Good luck
     
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  3. Aug 16, 2020 at 10:00 PM
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    Not sure without changing your suspension out. That’s why I got an off-road to lift and change shocks. Someone will chime in with good info I’m sure.
    Good Luck
     
  4. Aug 16, 2020 at 10:17 PM
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    Bishop84

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    Rear sway bar 100% Tacomas don't have one, it makes a big difference.

    Tunrdas only recently started installing them on their TRD Sport models.

    It's less useful for offroading, but if offramps are the issue, the hellwig is a great start.
     
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  5. Aug 16, 2020 at 10:22 PM
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    outlaw_taco

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  6. Aug 16, 2020 at 10:36 PM
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    crashnburn80

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    Welcome first poster! The Pro suspension is soft and not what you want for an on-road speedster, at all. Swaybars will help with body roll but not really fix the suspension issue. If you are serious, I'd suggest looking at the TRD Baja suspension instead, which is the firmest suspension ever offered by TRD on a Tacoma designed for high speed. Paired with the progressive AAL in the rear it handles much more like a dialed in performance street vehicle than a soft off road truck, but also still excels off road. I wheel my truck, but also want precision sporty handling on road paired with an over driven supercharger and the Baja setup has been fantastic. It would seem somewhat like blasphemy to take off your brand new Pro Fox suspension though to swap to a 2nd Gen TRD performance Bilstien suspension, but on the upside if you take it off to sell you'll get good money for it.
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/selecting-a-mild-lift-trd-baja-tx-pro-icon-aal.385619/
     
  7. Aug 16, 2020 at 10:39 PM
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    Personally, I think you have made a grave mistake purchasing a truck, albeit a offroad worthy truck, while being someone who enjoys whipping around corners. I'd suggest selling the 2020 TRD Pro and looking for a low mileage X Runner. They are hard to find, moreso than a TRD Pro, but have good street manners for being a truck.
     
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  8. Aug 16, 2020 at 11:25 PM
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    There's a thread on here showcasing lowered tacomas sooooo
     
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  9. Aug 21, 2020 at 12:27 AM
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    Just installed the Hellwig 7744 this past Sunday same day OP started this thread. Kevin from Hellwig is super helpful, however Hellwig products are ok because they mass produce for hundreds of other vehicles so the hardwares are not specific only to Tacoma’s. I actually added more reinforcements to their L bracket (for endlink) to frame design. At softest setting I still definitively notice improvement in cornering and high speed stability. Others in this thread suggested different (stiffer) suspension, but I prefer the simple sway bar option which is cheaper and can be disconnected and zip tied the day before an off road expedition.
     
  10. Aug 21, 2020 at 12:35 AM
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    Stock SR suspension will get you exactly what you describe.
     
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  11. Aug 21, 2020 at 4:59 AM
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    Despite what a lot of fanboys think, the Pro suspension sucks...
    The Sport. OR, SR suspensions are just hot boiled garbage.
    Until I switched suspensions I did not believe how bad they really were.

    If you want a ride that is like a Caddie on straight runs, but to be able to corner like a Porsche,
    then look at the Bilistein 8112/8100 combo.
    The limitation to my cornering speeds now is my tires...
    tall sidewallls do not like hard cornering...
    Truck now handles better than a Raptor and ZR2 both on and off road.
    I may not be able to out accelerate anybody but I sure can corner and slalom better than them. Even cars....
    Oh and they are fantastic off-road too. Better than Kings by a long shot!

    Sell the Pro suspension and get the 8112's, you will NOT be disappointed.
    Even holding them side by side you will see they are a LOT beefier and they have a lot more tech and engineering inside them than the Fox's .
    Did a LOT of riding around on different suspensions (King, Fox 2.5's etc) before I bought these and would do it again.

    There is no sway bar on the Taco , but the rear leaf hangers are weak as crap,
    look into purchasing and installing something like Hammer Hangers or BAMF hangers.
    You'll find that the Taco will need a lot more engine to need a sway bar after thses are installed.
     
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    Op, you should have a chat with @subrat
     
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    I cant tell if your trolling or not...
     
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    I noticed a little bit of improvement in fast cornering after installing my sumo springs (612-40s). I have a cap and some extra weight and it reduced the feel from excessive leaf spring compression on sharper turns with dips etc.
     
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    I have a Sport, rides like a truck...no issues.
     
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    Quality Friday post
     
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  18. Aug 21, 2020 at 11:16 AM
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    Let me understand this...you paid for the Pro and you want it to ride like the Sport because you have no intention of taking it off road? Is that right? Get ready for a Friday afternoon roasting sir.
     
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    Here's the thing from a Sport guy with the sway bar delete (SBD). I did this for both on and off road comfort and capability.

    ----> Embrace the handling. <----

    Feel the roll and the suspension loading up. A wicked stiff truck is not like a proper car. For the truck, the CG is a lot higher (approx above the wheels) which causes some really uncomfortable feelings when super stiff. In a car, the CG is down around axle level. The lateral motions are not causing a large amount of side loads plus roll forces.

    With the high CG, you will not be gaining much more traction from the inside tires. Just a fact. Your cornering is not going to be greatly improved unless you go very far down the rabbit hole. Woe be you and esp your passengers when you hit an uneven bump. I wholey approve @daks 's idea, but those Billys are eye-watering pricey, for a reason. Also, add in the cost of an eventual rebuild . . .


    Now, if you really want to go down the handling route, drop it like a proper sport truck. That is really the only way to do it right and not lose your bank account.
     
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    I pulled my sway as well and I like it. It really helps soften bumps while not changing dipping at stops and it was way nicer on tougher trails. Mine is staying off. Not really relevant to the OP, but I agree with you.
     
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