1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

Bilstein 6112

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by KnoxTac0713, Mar 15, 2016.

  1. Mar 10, 2020 at 4:25 AM
    #3101
    WZ00R2

    WZ00R2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2018
    Member:
    #253814
    Messages:
    906
    Gender:
    Male
    TN
    Vehicle:
    2020 Cement OR
    6112/5160, Deaver U402, 255/80r17, SCS BR6
    Your choice of tire and PSI will have a greater impact as to how harsh the truck rides.
     
    Superdave1.0 likes this.
  2. Mar 10, 2020 at 9:20 PM
    #3102
    dhectorg

    dhectorg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2019
    Member:
    #311725
    Messages:
    233
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Don
    Vehicle:
    2020 Toyota Tacoma TRD OffRoad
    That's not necessarily true. While I agree that tires greatly impact ride quality, your suspension setup has a greater impact on body lean and overall handling.
     
  3. Mar 11, 2020 at 3:38 AM
    #3103
    WZ00R2

    WZ00R2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2018
    Member:
    #253814
    Messages:
    906
    Gender:
    Male
    TN
    Vehicle:
    2020 Cement OR
    6112/5160, Deaver U402, 255/80r17, SCS BR6
    Body lean and overall handling, yes. With this specific suspension, the tire choice and pressure will be the deciding factor in it riding harshly.
     
  4. Mar 11, 2020 at 7:57 AM
    #3104
    HB Taco

    HB Taco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Member:
    #54683
    Messages:
    987
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Curt
    Huntington Beach, CA
    Vehicle:
    11 DC TRD OR 4x4 Pyrite Mica
    Nothing wrong just a classic case of too much preload causing the shocks to top out when the wheel drops off the back side of a bump. I had that and didn't like it at all. move it down 2 notches and take two aspirin and you'll be fine. ;)
     
    bonifacio_629 likes this.
  5. Mar 11, 2020 at 8:27 AM
    #3105
    bonifacio_629

    bonifacio_629 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Member:
    #270049
    Messages:
    258
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Walther
    Virginia
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tacoma TRD Sport, 6MT 4x4 DCSB, Inferno
    Predator steps, TRD cat-back, lots of orange stickers.
    Good stuff, good opportunity to do the needle bearing. Thanks dude. Approximately how much lift did you lose?
     
  6. Mar 11, 2020 at 8:47 AM
    #3106
    HB Taco

    HB Taco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Member:
    #54683
    Messages:
    987
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Curt
    Huntington Beach, CA
    Vehicle:
    11 DC TRD OR 4x4 Pyrite Mica
    By dropping it down some its possible you may not need the ECGS bushing. I ran it lifted for 2 years before doing it and maybe I got lucky because the shafts were fine. Then again just do it while you have it apart. Mine's a 2nd gen and I was having that on the 4th notch and went to 3 with a spacer on DS and it got better. With some settling you might be able to just go 1 notch. 3rd gen guys can give you a better idea about how much the lift will change. Most folks here prefer some rake anyway. You and your truck will be much happier if you bring it down a bit. Good Luck
     
    bonifacio_629 likes this.
  7. Mar 11, 2020 at 8:56 AM
    #3107
    bonifacio_629

    bonifacio_629 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2018
    Member:
    #270049
    Messages:
    258
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Walther
    Virginia
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tacoma TRD Sport, 6MT 4x4 DCSB, Inferno
    Predator steps, TRD cat-back, lots of orange stickers.
    Thanks again for the input man!

    Can any 3rd gen guys chime in here? It has the sliiightest amount of bro-lean right now at the top notch, and yes the needle bearing has been vibrating from the start.
     
  8. Mar 11, 2020 at 11:01 AM
    #3108
    tacothyme

    tacothyme Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2015
    Member:
    #153709
    Messages:
    224
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Cory
    Seattle, WA
    Vehicle:
    18 DCLB OR
    265/70/17
    So, I have my 6112's up front both set at the top notch each side, plus a 1/4'' spacer on the drivers side. This was so I'd be allllmost level with my HD Dakars in the back (tow trailers often, and fill that LB with heavy things). Total lift of about 2.25'' after settling and no bro lean from what I can tell..

    I did do the needle bearing swap when I had everything apart... too much trouble to do later on. Aside from the front/rear suspension overhaul and ECGS bushing swap, I also did do a carrier bearing drop to get my driveline angles back in check. Also added JBA UCAs, and 5160's + extended brake lines in back.

    331D01CC-92C0-4E64-AEA9-467B0F0FE9FB.jpg
     
  9. Mar 12, 2020 at 1:13 PM
    #3109
    Dirtdevil1983

    Dirtdevil1983 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2020
    Member:
    #319410
    Messages:
    12
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Chris
    Vehicle:
    2020 Tacoma TRD DBL cab 4x4, 2005 tacoma pre runner 2wd single cab.
    None yet
    When you lift via the 6112 suspension and an UCA, how much does it narrow the front end? And if it is significant, is anyone using wheel spacers to correct it? I plan to use the stock TRD OR 16" wheels with 265 70 16 durratracs, I think. I would go to a 75, but no one makes a calibration solution for the 2020 yet and I really don't want all of my fancy calculations for fuel consumption and mileage to be off.
     
  10. Mar 12, 2020 at 1:26 PM
    #3110
    Superdave1.0

    Superdave1.0 Grandma Dave

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2018
    Member:
    #277158
    Messages:
    2,914
    Gender:
    Male
    SoCal
    Vehicle:
    GX470 and LX470
    I went with wider offset wheels to gain track width. Wheel spacers are terrible.

    20200301_150312.jpg
     
    PasswordIsTaco123 and Snaeper like this.
  11. Mar 12, 2020 at 1:43 PM
    #3111
    Dirtdevil1983

    Dirtdevil1983 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2020
    Member:
    #319410
    Messages:
    12
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Chris
    Vehicle:
    2020 Tacoma TRD DBL cab 4x4, 2005 tacoma pre runner 2wd single cab.
    None yet
    I completely agree with you that wheel spacers are terrible. I would never run them myself, but I keep seeing pics and I wondered if they were narrower as a result of the lift, and if so how much. Your wheels look good, but I am not interested in buying wheels so I am adding yet another consideration to this expensive possibility of suspension modification.
     
  12. Mar 12, 2020 at 1:50 PM
    #3112
    Dirtdevil1983

    Dirtdevil1983 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2020
    Member:
    #319410
    Messages:
    12
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Chris
    Vehicle:
    2020 Tacoma TRD DBL cab 4x4, 2005 tacoma pre runner 2wd single cab.
    None yet
    Also, what bumper are you running? That thing looks good!
     
    Superdave1.0 likes this.
  13. Mar 12, 2020 at 1:51 PM
    #3113
    Superdave1.0

    Superdave1.0 Grandma Dave

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2018
    Member:
    #277158
    Messages:
    2,914
    Gender:
    Male
    SoCal
    Vehicle:
    GX470 and LX470
    SSO @SouthernStyleOffRoad
     
  14. Mar 12, 2020 at 1:56 PM
    #3114
    crashngiggles

    crashngiggles Tacomaworld's Resident Psych Dr.

    Joined:
    May 17, 2015
    Member:
    #155446
    Messages:
    4,505
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jared
    Wilbraham, Massachusetts
    Vehicle:
    2013 MGM TRD 4x4 DCLB Trail Limo
    I have a 2013 double cab long bed with 6112's , and JBA's. I haven't noticed much narrowness at all From the Before & After aspect of putting the lift on. I am also running inch and a quarter spidertrax wheel spacers. I understand why some people don't like wheel spacers and others do. I have never had an issue, even off roading in them. I had a lot of apprehension as well before getting them but after doing my research and talking to a lot of people that did have the hub centric spacers such as spidertrax, I was sold. Obviously, everyone would love to get new rims that had a better offset but can't necessarily afford them and this can be the next best thing as long as use them correctly.
     
    tacothyme likes this.
  15. Mar 12, 2020 at 8:58 PM
    #3115
    ellzy_21

    ellzy_21 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2015
    Member:
    #168678
    Messages:
    154
    Gender:
    Male
    Fairbanks, AK
    Vehicle:
    '13 T/X BAJA 6MT
    TRD Supercharger, TRD/URD Exhaust, TRD Quick shifter,
    Hey all, I'm about to pull the trigger on HS off-road's 6112/5160 combo kit w/ the OME Dakar HDs in the rear (topper/RTT/full size spare, fuel, etc....). With the BAJA TX suspension on the truck currently, I've had ~2.75" lift front and back and I'd like to keep this new suspension kit as close to that as possible -> the HD Dakars are advertised to get right around 2.75" in the rear, but I'm looking for input up front. I already have the 650# eibach coils from the BAJA suspension, and from the reading I've done in this and other 6112 threads, there's no real way to gauge how much lift you'll get if using 650/700# coils so:

    1) Use my 650# eibachs and start w/ either #2 or #3 clip setting and adjust from there to get close to ~2.75" up front? (I've read anywhere from an additional .5"-1.25" lift just with the 650# coils alone.....?)

    2) Use the 600# bilstein coils the 6112s come with, set clip to #4 and use a 1/4" top plate spacer on each to net ~2.65" lift up front? Or is that math stupid. Or are top plate spacers stupid / not designed to work like that?

    I don't have any extra weight up front to account for, so I really don't care at this point if I use my existing 650# eibachs or not, just trying to get as close to ~2.75" as possible. I will be adding SPC or JBA UCAs to the mix. TIA!

    https://www.headstrongoffroad.com/s..._Kit_with_OME_Dakar_Leaf_Pack_(HS05BK-3).html
     
  16. Mar 13, 2020 at 3:02 AM
    #3116
    crashngiggles

    crashngiggles Tacomaworld's Resident Psych Dr.

    Joined:
    May 17, 2015
    Member:
    #155446
    Messages:
    4,505
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jared
    Wilbraham, Massachusetts
    Vehicle:
    2013 MGM TRD 4x4 DCLB Trail Limo
    Quick question, do you have any armor up front or plan on it? Bumper? Skids? Sliders? Or is all of the weight in the rear with the rtt and cap?
     
  17. Mar 13, 2020 at 9:17 AM
    #3117
    ellzy_21

    ellzy_21 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2015
    Member:
    #168678
    Messages:
    154
    Gender:
    Male
    Fairbanks, AK
    Vehicle:
    '13 T/X BAJA 6MT
    TRD Supercharger, TRD/URD Exhaust, TRD Quick shifter,
    All the junk's in the trunk right now....nothing up front YET. I plan on a bumper/winch combo of some flavor, but not for a couple years. I just have this irrational desire to use parts I already have, but I can't buy the 6112s without the 610# coil anyway, so maybe it'd be worth using them (for better ride quality), until I'm ready for more weight up front then swap out for my 650# coils?
     
  18. Mar 13, 2020 at 9:27 AM
    #3118
    crashngiggles

    crashngiggles Tacomaworld's Resident Psych Dr.

    Joined:
    May 17, 2015
    Member:
    #155446
    Messages:
    4,505
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jared
    Wilbraham, Massachusetts
    Vehicle:
    2013 MGM TRD 4x4 DCLB Trail Limo
    I would just get the 6112's with the 600lb coils that they come with in the beginning with a setting on the 4th notch with a 1/4" spacer on the driver's side. What you have planned for the rear is good, as long as you are set up for possible vibes in the rear i.e. carrier bearing drop and possibly shims due the the lift of the heavy dakars. When I added my front bumper and skid plate trio, I then upgraded to the 650lb springs (the bilstein ones not the eibach ones to keep the warranty from bilstein) and it brought me back up to the level I was at before the armor. Eibach 650lb springs are not recommended by bilstein due to the loss of the warranty and 700lb springs, even though some sellers put them on there, are highly not recommended by bilstein stating that the shock was not made for that shock and it has a high likelihood of damaging the top hat of the shock due to the weight. If you don't have aftermarket UCA's it would be highly recommended that you do for this high of a lift for increased caster, decreased BJ issues, and better articulation. I have JBA's and I very much recommend them to anyone.
     
    ellzy_21 likes this.
  19. Mar 13, 2020 at 9:38 AM
    #3119
    ellzy_21

    ellzy_21 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2015
    Member:
    #168678
    Messages:
    154
    Gender:
    Male
    Fairbanks, AK
    Vehicle:
    '13 T/X BAJA 6MT
    TRD Supercharger, TRD/URD Exhaust, TRD Quick shifter,
    Thanks for the info! I think that's exactly what I"ll do then, 600lb coils for now. Planning on UCAs (was looking at the SPCs, but I'll check out JBA too), and carrier bearing drop too.

    What size tires do you have on your 2013? I've been able to run 285/75/16s the last couple of years with no issues/rubbing (mild off-roading only), and I'm hoping to be able to continue that with this new suspension setup.
     
  20. Mar 13, 2020 at 9:45 AM
    #3120
    crashngiggles

    crashngiggles Tacomaworld's Resident Psych Dr.

    Joined:
    May 17, 2015
    Member:
    #155446
    Messages:
    4,505
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jared
    Wilbraham, Massachusetts
    Vehicle:
    2013 MGM TRD 4x4 DCLB Trail Limo
    Right now, I am running 265/70 17's but will be upgrading to 255/80 17 skinnies. With your 285's you might be expecting a small amount of rub depending on what you have your caster set at. Do you have a CMC?
     
    CCWTaco likes this.
To Top