Calling all third gens with remote starts installed

Oops
Typo vehicles after 2013 sorry
I spoke to them on the phone
I think it has to do with the truck running remotely then being restarted. Not just shutting the truck off then restarting

 

So we have a belief that the starter has X amount of starts in it, and we are using those up faster by restarting it? I sincerely disagree. Starters fail 9/10 times due to corrosion or electrical issues. Nothing to do with the number of starts, simply the age and environmental exposure of the unit.

 

I'm a little confused. What specific behavior are you referring to? The need to restart a remote-started pushbutton start truck, or the have-to-wait-because-it-cranks-for-twenty-seconds behavior?

 

That's the thing you have a key not PTS....

 

I have a '16 TRDOR auto transmission with after market remote start. Yes, it shuts off when the door is opened, but there is no delay when restarting. It starts immediately when I push the button.

 

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Link for this please?

I have difficulty imagining any company would intentionally make it so that upon restarting the system would crank for twenty seconds before catching.

I believe he was referring to a truck with no remote start needing to wait before restarting Like he finds it hard to believe Toyota would make it so thats how the truck Normally operates

But I'm referring to both behaviors. Needing to restart the truck after the door is opened, then waiting to restart it once I'm in it ( if this is true for remote starts in push to start toyotas)

 

1. if you have a physical key, then the engine shut off when opening the door doesn't apply.
2. if you have a fob, then the remote start unit tricks the ecu into thinking the door was unlocked, started then locked, this is what it is if I remember correctly.
3. it wasn't until mid year that Toyota "H" key encryption was broken where installers didn't have to wrap the ignition cylinder on keyed Toyota's
4. also I've been told that the fob issue has to deal with how the fob interacts with the ecu on generating a unique security code every time the vehicle is unlocked. hence the reason the vehicle shuts off when you open the door in #2. since the vehicle is tricked into starting, the code between the ecu and fob are different when you go to unlock the started vehicle so it shuts down the engine.
5. bypassing this feature within the ecu is possible but the workaround is more hassle than its worth/cost. from what I have heard it is possible but the hack job to get it to work is beyond what I am willing to endure if something goes south.

edit : I think someone makes a module that can bypass this issue, but if I remember correctly its like 100-200 module. I already paid for the remote start and yearly sub for the phone app to remote start. I can live with starting the vehicle again myself to save 100-200.

I think this was discuss in an old thread in the 2/3 gen before about this or it was discussed in the 4runner.org forums, cant remember.

 

02 gen 1, Viper remote start since 40 miles.Use it all year round, 90% of all starts. 362k miles/original starter

 

The first is apparently normal for push-to-start and remote-start, at least for Toyotas at this time. Doesn't much matter why it is this way. I expect the aftermarket is working to find a workaround, but whether that will happen anytime soon is unclear given that they've had a while. So it seems you can either live with it or live without remote-start.

The second sounds quite abnormal. If a dealer or aftermarket installer tried to pass it off as normal to me I'll call them on their b.s. and refuse to accept it.

 

if you shut down with the rms before opening the door does it then immediately restart by push button? I ask because im in the market for 3rd gen.

 

I have a hard time understanding why my 15 Ram 2500 (yes with push to start) didn't have this issue. Once inside after remote start you just push the start button and it activated and didn't have to stop and be restarted. Wife's previous car - 2013 Infinity QX80 was the same way. Toyota is the first car we've had with push button start and remote start (factory options) that behave like this.

We have a 15 Sienna and are so disappointed with the remote start killing the engine when you get in. Just seems stupid and obviously unnecessary when other companies are able to avoid it.

Until this is fixed (or someone finds a workaround) I will just live without remote start on the Tacoma.

 

I'm not too familiar with the push to start and the key fob associated with it. I thought that if the trucks running remotely and the truck senses the key fob when your near it unlocking it, it wouldn't shut off. Kinda like how the touchless entry works when the fob is in your pocket, The truck knows the key is there and it unlocks...it's too bad this isn't the case with the remote start. But the post before yours with the 16' Tacoma didn't have to wait to restart his vehicle which is a plus. Maybe that was a rare instance the other member had to wait.

 

What that particular person was saying was if he remotely started the vehicle, walked up to it, opened tinge door it would shut down. Then trying to immediately restart it took about 20 seconds of cranking unless there was a bit of a wait in between starts. But just turning off the vehicle and restarting again this wouldn't happen

 

Yes!
Thank you
This is new for Toyota and Lexus
They say it's for safety
But it seems totally unnecessary

 

So....what you're saying is....in your other car you had to get in and push the start button to go and you were fine with that.......but in the Tacoma you have to get in and push the start button to go and you're not fine with it.....am I following you?

 

this is crazy logic to me. there's no difference than going out to my truck, putting they key in and starting it, and then going inside to pack my lunch for work while the car warms up. someone can just as easily steal my truck this way. all the remote start is doing is saving me from having to go outside in the first place. my old man has a nissan altima, factory remote start, doesn't shut down when you open the door. crazy to me this can't be done on a tacoma.

 

If you start an electrical motor 2x more than needed, it'll wear down faster.

 

I've agree with you for the majority part of the year, but when there's a foot of snow outside I'd rather not have to walk outside to start my truck then walk back inside get ready and then walk back outside to the truck
It's not this way for previous year cars, had a 13 STI which this was not a problem in, an 05 civic, a 99 civic in a 99 Tacoma all with remote start, none of them had this issue because there was no pushbutton start

 

Normally I'd agree, but considering how infrequent a starter motor is used (a couple times a day for a second or two) I highly question that logic. Based on starts alone, I'm quite certain a starter motor could last the life of any vehicle. The only reasons they fail are corrosion, electrical issues, poor manufacturing, or abuse (extraordinarily long cranking, cranking while the engine is already running). I've changed a thousand of them personally.

 

Starting an electrical motor draws 5-8 times more currant than when running. That causes stress on the wingings.

I work with a lot of really big motors.. up to 7,000 horsepower. There are limits on times it can be started within a period of time.

A starter motor is not as restrictive as a large motor, but starting it 2 times more than needed, back to back, is not good practices.