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Camburg and TC UCA + KINGs/Fox's setup comparison

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by glassman, Apr 17, 2011.

  1. Apr 17, 2011 at 4:33 PM
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    Hi all,

    I know this has been discussed many times from what I've read, but I can't seem to find a complete answer with respect to my specific questions/setup I'm planning.

    I am planning on a coilover + UCA setup, with either KINGs or extended-travel Fox (rr on either), and eventually spindles. Since I'm not planning on going to LT anytime remotely soon (or ever), I would like to get the most travel out of the suspension as possible, while maintaining alignment.

    So, my questions are: Which of these setups listed below do you think are most reasonable for what I'm going for? How much travel would each one allow, would any of them have alignment problems (not being able to be properly aligned), or any having problems with rubbing (coils on the UCAs, I'm not planning on any crazy tires or anything)?

    The options I'm trying to decide between are:

    -Camburg UCAs + KINGs
    -Camburg UCAs + extended-travel Fox's
    -TC UCAs + KINGs
    -TC UCAs + extended-travel Fox's

    I've read that Camburgs will allow for slightly more travel, but may not allow for proper alignment (the latter may only be for the older, 1" uniball version?). If the extra travel is true, will going with KINGs or Fox's give the same amount of travel?

    Thanks very much to anyone who can help. Going a decent bit (to me!) of money on this, so I want to make sure that I get the best setup with the least amount of problems that I can.
     
  2. Apr 17, 2011 at 4:49 PM
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    Kings + TC UCA's would be my #1 choice, with the TC UCA's + Fox second. I wouldnt consider the Camburg UCA's at all. The 1.25" uniballs hit the coils when the suspension droops, and its hit or miss on weather the alignment falls into place as it should.
     
  3. Apr 17, 2011 at 4:53 PM
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    You can contact the coils with TCs as well in certain CO setups. It happens on the driver side of my truck, but I am running about 3.25" of lift right now. It didn't do it at 3".

    As far as a solution, I'm just thinking about sticking some foam tape on the coil where the UCA hits.
     
  4. Apr 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM
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    No kidding? Good to know.
     
  5. Apr 17, 2011 at 5:16 PM
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    It also depends on the orientation of the coil spring. My coils on my Icons sometimes rotate when adjusting the ride height. I'm not sure if what caused the contact was the increased spring compression (and thus greater UCA droop) or rotation of the coilspring.

    Before, the uniball cup would fall between coils and the bolt to the spindle would bind at full droop without contact. Now, it may be turned such that the coil is struck rather the cup falling between them.

    I need to do some front-end work on my truck this week (find the clunk that happens when turning in reverse that I recently developed), I'll see if I can rotate the coilspring and get it to clear.
     
  6. Apr 17, 2011 at 5:30 PM
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    AH! Yeah, I let it drop, and make sure my adjustments allow the uniball cup to fall inbetween the coil winds.
     
  7. Apr 17, 2011 at 6:29 PM
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    That's actually what I've heard about the TC UCAs. Just rotate the KINGs so that they aren't hitting at full droop. I read in one thread (of about a thousand) that the Camburg arms didn't have this issue, but apparently they do you're saying?

    I was originally planning on going KINGs + TC, but honestly it sounded like the Camburg arms would give a little more travel (and I didn't think they'd hit the coils). Any idea if either of these is true?

    thanks!
     
  8. Apr 17, 2011 at 6:30 PM
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    The 1.25" Camburgs hit way before the TC's will.
     
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    huh. thank you, that's good info.

    what about this "binding" issue with the TCs? Not sure if this is something that is old/fixed, or if it still occurs? Camburg claims to have no binding (on the inner part of the cup that holds the uniball).

    Thanks again for the help. I'm still like 40/60 leaning toward the TCs, but would like to be closer to 25/75 before I buy them ;)
     
  10. Apr 17, 2011 at 6:51 PM
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    Ive never experianced it. Cmaburg uses a 12 pt. nut thats recessed into their uniball. However, the bottom misalignment spacer will still bind. Its all marketing.
     
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    I'm not familiar with any binding issues from the TCs. Something else will usually limit travel before the uniballs have a problem. On top of that, uniball binding doesn't worry me much - it's a stronger joint the the factory ball-joints.
     
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    Fair enough. I figure the binding will only be at full compression (and after depressing into the factory bumpstop a little).

    Any idea on the travel issue? From what I can see, TC claims 8" wheel travel, while Camburg says up to 11". I want to ensure that I buy the right shock so that I can get up to the most travel I can (ie-if in the future I move to a different bumpstop, or do other small things, but would like the arms + coilovers to be able to account for any additional travel). If I were to buy the KINGs that are built for 3" lifts, would these give me as much travel as the "extended-travel" Fox's (given whichever UCAs)?

    thanks yet again!
     
  13. Apr 17, 2011 at 6:58 PM
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    I read the TC's are good for 9.5" or so. Ive never seen the Camburgs come close to their claimed travel. The older 1" ones would, but not the new ones.
     
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    okay thanks. I thought 11" sounded a bit on the ridiculous side to be honest.

    last question: will the KINGs linked below allow for the full usage of the travel I would be able to get (say up to 10"), or would they be more limited than the extended-travel Fox's? Here are the shocks:

    http://downsouthmotorsports.com/i-1...05-2010-toyota-tacoma-4wd-2wd-pre-runner.html

    http://downsouthmotorsports.com/i-134716-fox-racing-toyota-tacoma-2005-2009-performance-kit.html

    Also, how are the Fox's that are made for "vehicles with TC UCA kit" any different from the other Fox's:

    http://www.offroadwarehouse.com/products/sfID1/12/sfID2/730/sfID3/735/productID/39093

    http://www.offroadwarehouse.com/products/sfID1/12/sfID2/730/sfID3/735/productID/1446

    Basically, want to ensure that the King's will allow for as much travel as any of those Fox's, else I'll go with the Fox's (also through DSM though, those guys have been super-helpful).
     
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    You might be better off talking to Marco or Sonny at DSM about that. I havent compared them side by side.
     
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    yeah thanks. i've been talking to Marco, but I've swamped him with so many questions I thought i'd ask you folks (though he's been way more than helpful and answered all of them so far).
     
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    So after thinking about it (probably way too much), I think I've pretty much decided to go with the Camburg UCAs.

    Has anyone had any first-hand experience with either the coils on the extended-travel Foxs or KINGs contacting the UCAs at any point in the travel (I know this was an issue with the old ones, but *supposedly* the new ones fix this...don't know if it was a tweak to the 1.25" uniball UCAs, or if they have never changed it and somehow the design with the 1.25"ers somehow fixed it...or if they still can contact!).

    thanks!
     
  18. Jul 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM
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    Bumping this thread. These are exactly my questions too. But I have a 4x4 so a diff drop comes into the equation.

    So what did you finally do and how's it working out?
     
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    5100's all the way around. Front set at .85. Camburg Spindles. Camburg Uniball 1.25 UCA's. Total Chaos LCA skid plates. Custom Deaver 10 pack rear leaf spring. BFG AT KO's 285/70/17, Weathertech floor liners, Wet Okoles. Midland CB/PA, Firestick.
    Bump as well. I have Camburg UCA's 1.25 Uniball and Camburg spindles. Looking to pull the trigger for Fox 2.5 RR - Cash n hand...looking for a good deal and advice. Someone told me FOX 2.5 RR coil overs come in different lengths 8" and 9" - for OEM replacements (2nd gen 2011 - Double Cab - Short bed) - Is that true?. Anyone running this set up?
     
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