Carry with a chambered round???

100% agreed, but america doesnt work like that anymore, you have to justify everything or you're going to spend your life in prison.

 

if you rack the slide that means they know someone is waiting for them which makes them more aware and likely to shoot at you

 

Nahh... The cops do all of the paperwork.

The only thing you do is say "I'm sorry officer, I'm pretty shaken up. I was in fear for my life, and I will be happy to answer any questions you have tomorrow after I have had a chance to talk to my attorney"

Even in California, if there are signs of forcible entry into the residence, it is an affirmative defense that the intruder was there with intent to do you or your family physical harm. As far as anything in the house worth their life, they made that decision when they broke in. They MIGHT be there to steal your TV... or they might be there to kidnap or rape your wife or daughter. You have to assume they are armed and respond accordingly.

Don't lie, don't shoot the guy as he is leaving the house... but in most states, you have no duty to retreat if in your own home.


Also, a burglar that you "scare away" has already seen the layout of your house and what you have that might be "worth" taking.
He will only come back later, better prepared, or at a time when you are not home... and now he knows you have guns in the house.
Dead burglars don't come back.

 

I'm not going to sneak up and shoot them in the back. However I know not to let my position be known when someone is in MY HOUSE to hurt me and my family. Which they came into illegally and most likely, are armed and already prepared for some type of possible resistance from the home owner. I've been a victim of a home invasion and they happen VERY fast and I can tell you now racking the gun would of been a waste of time. Doubt they'd of even heard it with how much was going on and how quick it was. I didn't own guns then and I'll tell you now I'll never tell anyone where I'm at when they are coming after me.

My wife and I have a plan if it happens again. Lock or bedroom door, let them take what they want and leave. They open the door, they are getting shot as that's my last stand and there is nowhere else to go/hide.

Honestly, you want to scare them off, just shoot a shot right into the floor. Its more intimidating then racking a gun by far.

 

i suppose there's always more then one way to skin a cat. personally mine's loaded but if i heard someone walking down the hall, i would probably rack it, shout for them to leave, or depending on how my day was, go balls out. but plan for the worst, hope for the best

 

It all depends on the situation.

How you awaken, what your level of awareness is, the speed and ferocity of the entry/attack... anything can happen.
If it's just a prowler trying not to wake you, you may wake up and call out a friend's name... "Bob? Is that you?"

And that is more than enough warning.

 

Man there is a strong correlation b/t driving a taco and packing heat lol

 

Cocked and locked is how I carry my 1911, same for my M&P 40 minus the lock. That’s how we carry our Berretta M9's (USAF Security Forces) at work. IMHO Training kicks in and in stressful situations that second may mean life or death. Stress will give you tunnel vision and make you miss and forget simple task. If you pull a gun on someone you better damn well be prepared to too put them down. Warning shots are pointless and dangerous due to ricochet and over penetration of walls. You would be surprised with what ball ammo or a hollow point clogged with dry wall is capable of penetrating. And for every one that thinks a .45 will vaporize anything it touches you need to do a little research. I don’t want to start a debate over ballistics, terminal effects, and muzzle energy, because it’s all in the hands of the operator and what you feel comfortable with. But I'm sticking with one in the chamber.

 

I carry my M&P without a round chambered.

The slide is racked prior to the mag install. That way the slide has almost no tension to rack a round in.

Besides, my instances where i need to draw, taking an extra quarter second to rack is not that big of a deal to me.

Besides, striker fired with no safety worrys me because clothes, coats, zippers, ect can pull the trigger...

 

Please discontinue carrying a gun. If you are worried about something pulling the trigger inadvertently with some sort of errant object, you have either an inappropriate holster, or do not know how to safely handle a firearm.

You also have a poor understanding of how striker fired weapons work.

 

So, what do you guys think about this thread?

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2n...id-toyotas-drive-trains-were-bulletproof.html

 

I've already made my opinion known....in that thread.

 

no, i think he has a very good point. are you really saying he's doesnt know how to safely handle a firearm because he prefers to handle it without one in the chamber while in public? it sounds to me that he has a very good understanding of how a striker fired pistol works since he doesnt want to carry one in the tube knowing it may go off if dropped or snagged. to each his own, but dont belittle someone for doing that is actually more safe.

 

x2 and amen.

 

I live on the second floor of my house w/ my Glock within arm's reach. God forbid something happens in the middle of the night, I will hear it. I'm a light sleeper...especially if I hear something break.

Ex: Not too long ago the UPS man came up to and knocked on my front door before I was awake (I was on break ). Didn't help with the fact that he knocked like a cop in a movie - like the beating on the door type of knock. I had gun in hand before my eyes were completely open...
(No, I did not rack the slide. The gun grab was just instinct.)

If I can be prepared that quickly, I have reason to believe I have the time to rack the slide.

 

Usually the UPS man isn't a home invader intent on killing you.

 

No he doesn't understand how firearms work. You cannot "Pre-cock" a striker fired weapon. It just doesn't work that way.

Most modern firearms will NOT go off if dropped, slung, beat, etc. You have to pull the trigger. If the firearm is in a proper holster, it should be impossible to pull the trigger while it is stored in such. If you're playing with the gun and fingering it, it didn't go off, you fired it. If you cannot reholster without binding clothing or your holster, you have both a gear and training problem, not a gun problem.

Modern firearms do not "go off" unless they are in poor mechanical shape, some idgit applied their magical gunsmith "ability" to it, or you pull the trigger, hang it on a coat rack, etc. etc.

As far as carrying a gun in public. In a high stress situation, you will resort to your level of training. Just presenting a firearm to a situation already boiling over, you should already be firing it from concealment if you have made the decision to draw it, not starting out by performing what is basically a failure drill. Otherwise, bad guy already has gun, he sees your gun, he's already 2 OODA loops ahead of you and you end up with a nice article and a photo on page 2B of the paper. (And a gunman who has escalated his force because of ill applied response)

Get training from a reputable training provider. Otherwise, you are a liability. Carrying a gun doesn't turn you into Jason Bourne no matter how you think your ultra fast slide manipulation will save a bus load of nuns from the crazy.

I don't believe a lot of people have the correct mindset for carrying a firearm in public. They do not want to use it, and when your target is breathing, it's a way different situation than a silhouette you plink at at the range. Just presenting that gun hoping the BG will turn and run is wishful thinking. File that along with the "Racking the shotgun" bunk.

Let me put you in a situation. You're now shot in your strong arm shoulder by a wild gunman who just opened fire on the crowd. Nerves severed, shoulder and hand are out. Think to yourself how you'd react.

If you don't own that skillset, don't handicap yourself further.

 

a seasoned concealed carrier will know what clothing he/she can wear with what equipment he chooses. People choose whole outfits to function with whatever carry rig they prefer. The best safety is you and your pointer finger. When seconds count, or if you have one arm incapacitated are you going to be able to rack around? There are tons of what ifs but those are question you have to ask yourself. Remember that’s what practice if for, watch a few videos or get some training on how to correctly draw you weapon from an in the waist band holster idealy for with a round in the chamber.

 

X2

 

To those that dont carry condition 2,1 or 0 I would ask that you seriously reevaluate why your carrying a firearm in the first place. Get comfortable with your weapon, practice with it and become proficient with it or you have no business carrying for self defense.

I operate through life condition one, yellow.