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Choice of Security System

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by gnuenglander, Dec 11, 2009.

  1. Dec 11, 2009 at 6:21 AM
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    gnuenglander

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    I'm purchasing a 2010 Tacoma Access Cab 4x4 (2.7 liter engine, 5 speed) with the SR5 extra value package. I'd like to get a security system for it and was thinking aftermarket. The dealer told me that if there were any problems caused by an aftermarket system it would void the Toyota warranty. The listed Toyota system for the Tacoma is the VIP RS3200 Plus. Does anyone have any experience with this system, and does it include a "warn-away" alarm? Any thoughts on warranty issues, or the relative value of the Toyota system vs. aftermarket in terms of cost and features? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
     
  2. Dec 11, 2009 at 8:18 AM
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    For one the dealer is full of crap! They just want you to install their product and pay their crazy price for it. Get an aftermarket if you must, but make sure you have quality work done.

    My security system is an American flag and an NRA sticker on my truck. If anything happens that is what insurance is for.
     
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  3. Dec 11, 2009 at 8:38 AM
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  4. Dec 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM
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    the alarm system would have to be the direct cause of the problem your truck has, otherwise it will not void the warranty. tell that guy to shove it.
     
  5. Dec 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM
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    Look up and print the magnuson Moss act and bring it with you to the dealer. Here is an overview.

    "A summary of how the law reads:
    Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, Title 1, __101-112, 15 U.S.C. __2301 et seq. This act, effective July 4, 1975, is designed to "improve the adequacy of information available to consumers, prevent deception, and improve competition in the marketing of consumer products . . .." The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act applies only to consumer products, which are defined as "any tangible personal property which is distributed in commerce and which is normally used for personal, family, or household purposes (including any such property intended to be attached to or installed in any real property without regard to whether it is so attached or installed)." Under Section 103 of the Act, if a warrantor sells a consumer product costing more than $15 under written warranty, the writing must state the warranty in readily understandable language as determined by standards set forth by the Federal Trade Commission. There is, however, no requirement that a warranty be given nor that any product be warranted for any length of time. Thus the Act only requires that when there is a written warranty, the warrantor clearly disclose the nature of his warranty obligation prior to the sale of the product. The consumer may then compare warranty protection, thus shopping for the "best buy." To further protect the consumer from deception, the Act requires that any written warranty must be labeled as either a "full" or a "limited" warranty. Only warranties that meet the standards of the Act may be labeled as "full." One of the most important provisions of the Act prohibits a warrantor from disclaiming or modifying any implied warranty whenever any written warranty is given or service contract entered into

    This means that, under the provisions of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975, an automotive dealership/carmaker cannot void your warranty because your vehicle has been modified with aftermarket parts. They (the manufacturers) have to prove that the failure was the direct result of the installed aftermarket part. Unfortunately, too many folks have gone to a dealer to have warranty service performed on their modified vehicle only to have the dealer refuse to cover the defective items. The dealer usually states, that because of the aftermarket parts installed, the warranty is void (without even attempting to determine whether or not the aftermarket part caused the problem). This is illegal...period.

    Below are illustrations of aftermarket installations that WOULD cause the voiding of a vehicle's warranty.

    Example 1:
    You install an aftermarket electronic cruise control. While you're driving down the road, the cruise unit develops an internal short causing the accelerator pedal to depress to the floor and over-revving the engine. After this episode the engine develops an engine knock under acceleration or under load. The car is still under warranty so you take it into your local dealer and they determine that the short in the cruise unit over-revved the engine, causing the rod bearings to spin and causing damage to the crankshaft and connecting rods. In this case, your warranty is void because the aftermarket cruise unit caused the engine problem. Not only are you responsible for the engine replacement, the dealer is within his rights to charge you for the diagnosis. Too bad, you lose.

    Example 2:
    You install an aftermarket air dam system to channel more air to the cold air intake system that you installed. The air dam system causes the vehicle to overheat because it restricts airflow over the radiator. As a result of overheating, the engine blows a head gasket and a cylinder head is warped. The car is still under warranty. You take it to your dealer and they determine that the aftermarket air dam system caused the overheating and thus the cylinder head damage and gasket failure. The carmaker is not obligated to perform any repairs under the provisions of the warranty.

    Example 3:
    You install a 6' "Personal Snowplow" on your SUV (aftermarket companies are making these plows for smaller trucks). The warranty expressly states that the installation of a snowplow voids all warranty if the vehicle comes in with frame, suspension, steering linkage or any other damage that can be attributed to the plow installation. You go ahead and install the plow anyway. While plowing you drive hard into a snow bank and the air bag deploys. You take it into your dealer and they determine that the airbag deployed because of the hard impact of the plow into the snow bank. But you took the plow off! Yes, but the mounting brackets, winch, and hydraulics are still there, and there is indication of stress to the frame where the plow is mounted. Warranty void! You are left holding the bag (pun intended).

    Example 4:
    You install a high energy ignition system along with a special performance chip in your car's computer to increase performance, as well as aftermarket headers (of course you had to disconnect the O2 sensor); maybe you are a street racer. The car is due for state inspection and it fails for the emissions part of the inspection. You take it into your dealer for warranty service to the emissions system. The dealer determines that the car failed because you modified the performance system as well as the exhaust system. Sure it runs like a racecar, but it will never pass the state emissions test set up this way. And oh, by the way, you just voided your warranty because the car was set up for racing and the OEM system was cannibalized.

    In any one of these scenarios, if the dealer just lifted the hood, saw the modifications, and stated that the warranty was void based on what they saw (without verifying that the failure was due to the aftermarket installation), the dealer would be in violation of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. The cause of the failure must be searched out and proven in order for the carmaker to void a warranty."
     
  6. Dec 11, 2009 at 8:51 AM
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    I have the VIP RS3200 alarm system from Toyota. I had the dealer install it at no cost during the price negotiation. It does not have warn away or any kind of vibration or bump protection. It's not as fancy as most aftermarket stuff, but it was "free", and I'm sure it will work when needed.
     

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  7. Dec 11, 2009 at 8:56 AM
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    The VIP RS3200 sucks. I had it for two weeks. Three days after I bought the truck, someone smashed my window and stole some very important documents that were in my truck. Took it to the dealer, had them give me my money back, pay for a new window, and then took it straight to the alarm dealer and had a DEI Viper system installed. Much, Much more bang for your buck.
     
  8. Dec 11, 2009 at 8:58 AM
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    Oh and as for voiding the waranty, they are simply trying to get you on the sale. Any one who is qualified to install a quality alarm system should have you covered. A quality alarm, with a quality install should never cause any problems with your truck.

    The dealer is simply full of shit.
     
  9. Dec 11, 2009 at 8:58 AM
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    The truck has the chip in the key already, theres your security system.
    i just had the dealer install a remote starter that works in conjuntion with the trucks security systm. Its not a cheap starter install where they just hide the valet key under the dash. It starts the truck, but wont move unless the chip key is installed.
     
  10. Dec 11, 2009 at 9:01 AM
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    I have an Autopage Rf 320. I would've liked the toyota VIP one but it was way too expensive for what it is.
     
  11. Dec 11, 2009 at 9:09 AM
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    I'm getting a Viper 5901 for christmas from the girl so i'll let you know how it is in a few weeks:D
     
  12. Dec 11, 2009 at 9:14 AM
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    Oh yeah? well I'm getting new bucket seats from my girl.lol
     
  13. Dec 11, 2009 at 9:26 AM
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    o ya well i'm getting a dremel from my mom:p
     
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    pssh, I've had a dremel.lol It's actually my mom's but I use it.haha She has so many tools.
     
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  17. Dec 11, 2009 at 9:37 AM
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    neither does mine, but mine is a base. :(
     
  18. Dec 11, 2009 at 9:43 AM
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    your mom is my pin cushion :cool: (but i'm using railroad ties)
    btw my mom is dead
     
  19. Dec 11, 2009 at 9:48 AM
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    No she isn't...
     
  20. Dec 11, 2009 at 9:49 AM
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    Go to a different dealer. I recommend any viper or clifford alarm systems. Make sure it has 2way & remote start is AWESOME for this winter weather.
     
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