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Choosing Between

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by H0LLYW00D, Aug 22, 2010.

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Which One

Poll closed Sep 21, 2010.
  1. Toytec Ultimate Lift Kit for 2005 & Up Tacoma with Bilstein 5100 rear shocks & Dakar leaf springs

    9 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. Icon 05-Up Tacoma Suspension System - Stage 4

    18 vote(s)
    66.7%
  1. H0LLYW00D

    H0LLYW00D [OP] Well-Known Member

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    I am trying to decide between the following lift kits, originally I was set on the first one but think the second might be a better choice:

    1) Toytec Ultimate Lift Kit for 2005 & Up Tacoma with Bilstein 5100 rear shocks, diff drop kit and OME CS047R Dakar leaf springs

    2) Icon 05-Up Tacoma Suspension System - Stage 4

    I want to Run 285/75/17 tires and wanting a full 3" of lift after i get all the goodies added onto the truck. (front and rear bumpers, winch, lights and full set of skids and sliders)
     
  2. H0LLYW00D

    H0LLYW00D [OP] Well-Known Member

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    Another option would be to mix and match a comination of the best components from both kits, such as Icon in the front with Icon rear shocks but to use the Dakar rear leafs in stead of the icon add a leaf.....
     
  3. Colton

    Colton Reagan/Bush '84

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    I'd go with the the Ultimate kit with the Dakars...
     
  4. Masada

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    Icon is a big jump in price from the ultimate lift...what's your budget.

    I said icon FYI, I think it will last you longer.
     
  5. nelson18matt

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    these 2 kits are two very different applications.

    the toytec is a non performance based "lift kit".. it's just a threaded body 5100 shock w/ an eibach spring and collar

    the Icon kit is a race style, performance suspension

    like said: two very different price tags as well

    whats your goal w/ the lift kit? looks? off road performance?
     
  6. H0LLYW00D

    H0LLYW00D [OP] Well-Known Member

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    looking for offroad performance, and still have some street mannors, when to the shop today for a quote and they dont know anything about icon but recommended WALKER EVANS 2.5 FRONT COIL-OVERS for the front and Walker Evans 2.5 Rear Shocks with All-Pro 3" Lift Rear Leaf Springs anf then all the trimings to have it fit together and not strain the truck, also recomented All-Pro 4130 Chromoly Upper A-Arms, I know its much more money for this than the toytec but i want to do it right the first time and be able to use my truck off road and not worry about it. But im not going to get crazy off road it is a daily driver too.
     
  7. jhodge83

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    wat?
    lemme guess...the shop you went to was whored in AP??? lol there are much better things out there than the WE shocks/coilovers and AP UCAs. only thing from that list i would say buy would be the 3" springs and a flip kit.
     
  8. H0LLYW00D

    H0LLYW00D [OP] Well-Known Member

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    Actually the guy I'm dealing with hates ap. He told me that he called icon and toytec and both said they might have issues with the weight. I do take everything with a grain of salt. I do say it's harder than just picking a kit and having it installed. Might call the makers myself and see. Anyone have shops they trust even outside Calgary that I could call to make sure I would be getting the right stuff.
     
  9. jhodge83

    jhodge83 Any dog under 50# is a cat and cats are useless... Thor

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    wat?
    i'm running the 2.0 WEs front and back, AP UCA's, and AP 3" leafs. that's how i know not to run them...lol. if i were to redo my setup today (and i will in the future), i'd love to go icon extended COs, icon rears, and TC UCA's. i'd keep the AP leafs unless they let me down before then. also would do king COs/rears too
     
  10. H0LLYW00D

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    What don't you like about your setup now? I have speced a icon and ome parts as well. I find the hard part is I don't know enough about these companies and 4x4ing that I feel I can make the best decision for what I want. Just to recap where I started.

    First kit was the toytec 3" ultimate kit
    Second a compination icon stage 4 shocks and coil overs with ome Dakar rear springs
    Third kit is the walker and ap combination kit

    I come from an IT background were you can determine "the best" parts reitaivly easily by comparing factual specs. I'm finding it hard to apply the same system to the mods I want to do to my truck.
     
  11. jhodge83

    jhodge83 Any dog under 50# is a cat and cats are useless... Thor

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    wat?
    out of those 3 kits, i'd go w/ #2. same way i voted up top. only think i would add are the TC UCAs.
     
  12. H0LLYW00D

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    Will that setup with the tc uca give me an actual 3" of lift? Will it hold unto the weight of an ARB front bumper with a winch and added lights? Your help has been great by the way.
     
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    wat?
    nevermind the TC UCAs. i wasnt paying attention to the stage 4 that you mentioned. it comes w/ the icon UCAs and they will do the job of the TCs. it also comes w/ the 1.5" AAL, so you wouldnt necessarily need the deaver leaf pack, but i would imagine the deavers will ride smoother than the AAL
     
  14. H0LLYW00D

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    I wannest planning on getting the kit it seems to get what I want i need to piece the best componets together. Just used kit referenced to help illustrate which parts I am thinking of.
     
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    wat?
    if you are gonna piece it together, i'd get the TCs. they are WAY cheaper than the icon billet UCAs and do a damn good job from what i've seen/heard.

    if you are gonna carry some weight in the back...tonneau, cap, plate bumper, etc. i'd get the deavers over the AP leafs. the AP leafs have the flex, but dont support stock payload.
     
  16. H0LLYW00D

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    should I suspect any issues with weight? will the Dakars give a enough lift to balance with the front?
     
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    Sounds like your getting some good help here, but I'm just wondering why the ARB bumper? We now have many bumpers for our trucks from a variety of venders here on the site that are strong and lighter. This may solve your concerns about weight.

    Just to throw my .02 in I really like my foxes and I'll be getting OME Dakars in the back at some point too.
     
  18. H0LLYW00D

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    ARB is much lighter than the original Road Armours i was going to go with. By not doing a rear bumper and going with the ARB i should be okay plus i like the lines of it compared to the other bumpers i have looked at, not into the tube styles, I have emails out to Walker and Icon to see if they can also provide some insight. Anyone have experience with warrenty work on theses products, I live in Canada if that makes a difference.
     
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    I have Icon Ext Travel coils in the front with TC UCA's. It has served me well, but if I were to do my whole lift over again I would just save and get the King's in front.
     
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    I guess my questions is why ARB vs. AP, shockworks or CBI plate bumpers?

    When I was looking into a bumper the ARB weighed around 200lbs vs AP at 120lbs. Plus I just liked the look of the AP.
     
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