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Clutch problem in my beater/commuter

Discussion in 'General Automotive' started by Rujack, May 7, 2019.

  1. May 7, 2019 at 8:44 AM
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    Rujack

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    I recently acquired my late dad’s 95 ford contour. Not a sexy ride by any stretch but my mom insisted that I take it, so I did just to make things easier on her.

    I know he had the clutch done relatively recently, but I don’t know what all they actually replaced.

    The problem is that it doesn’t disengage so I’d guess the slave or master is bad. I need to get a maintenance manual to see what the clutch system consists of but it does look to share the brake system.

    Yesterday I bled all the fluids which were filthy, but no improvement.

    Something else I noticed is that the stick really whips around under acceleration, like a motor mount is broken. I checked the mounts and they look fine.
     
  2. May 8, 2019 at 8:22 PM
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    You're losing me at combined system. I can't see how thaty could be legal.
     
  3. May 8, 2019 at 8:57 PM
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    They just share the same reservoir
     
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  4. May 8, 2019 at 9:07 PM
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    It’s not loosing fluid. I’ll have to check the pedal adjustment / freeplay, hopefully tomorrow. I can’t seem to figure out if there’s a slave cylinder. Unless it’s inside the bell housing, which I’ve never seen, it doesn’t have one that I can see.
     
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  5. May 9, 2019 at 8:16 AM
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    Anybody?

    No adjustment possible at the pedal. Master cylinder is new...
     
  6. May 9, 2019 at 9:05 AM
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    As I recall, my 2004 Ranger had the slave cylinder inside the bell housing. The clutch on that vehicle was a PITA. Got it fixed professionally. Then I found a Tacoma to replace it, so I didn't tinker with it any more.

    Good luck.
     
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  7. May 9, 2019 at 9:39 AM
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    Yea Ford is known for putting it inside the bellhousing.

    Not for sharing with the brakes. I still don't see how that could be legal. I'll check though.
     
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  8. May 9, 2019 at 11:57 AM
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    How dumb.

    Found a Haynes book in the trunk, says it shares the brake res. Not too slick, but what’s the problem with that?
     
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  9. May 9, 2019 at 12:12 PM
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    There should be a cover to access the slave inside.
    Some vehicles are even a sealed set from master to slave all one piece.

    Danger is that if you lose a clutch component and it leaks all the fluid it will rob from the brakes, which I would have thought by law, had to be it's own sealed system. I've always said though, it wasn't workmanship that killed American cars, it was engineering.
     
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  10. May 9, 2019 at 1:55 PM
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    There is what looks like a rubber insert that might be an inspection window, but it isn’t big enough to access much. I’ll look again, maybe another way in without pulling the trans. There’s a bleeder just on the outside of that window and I’ve already bled the clutch. I don’t think I’m loosing any fluid.

    That is definitely more accurate.
     
  11. May 12, 2019 at 8:14 PM
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    The Master Cylinder Reservoir on my old Tacoma also supplied the Clutch.
     
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  13. May 13, 2019 at 2:33 PM
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    I am sure they design it with something like a check valve to retain safety.
     
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    My Tacoma's clutch shares the reservior with the brakes.
     
  15. May 13, 2019 at 3:05 PM
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    You're right. That's insane. Copying American engineering in a race for the bottom I guess.
     
  16. May 13, 2019 at 3:10 PM
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    How would it pull fluid from the reservoir if there were a check?
     
  17. May 13, 2019 at 3:16 PM
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    Ok read how it works. On paper, safe.

    Use the clutch and brakes together with a leak.....lose both.
     
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    I was thinking a 1 way check valve, surely Toyota had to think of all the possibilities when designing it. We have dual circuit master cylinders just in case there is ever a severe leak to keep from total loss of braking.
     
  19. May 13, 2019 at 3:50 PM
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    Hell, old way was separate frt/rear, now both same resv. )I have personlly had a rear cyl. blow out and after a couple of pumps, you've got NOTHING but emergency brakes...scary)

    They ain't making shit safer. Just cheaper.
     
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