Crawl control made a fan out of me...

Actually, since we only have the rear locker, I think traction control alone is better than the rear locker alone in most situations. Combining them is even better. I drive around with ATRAC on constantly and engage the locker when I think it would be useful.

 

I'm sorry but that is a pretty BS test. Got stuck flooring it uphill and then used crawl control in reverse to get out? I bet just carefully reversing out would have had the same result since GRAVITY did most of the work in that situation not crawl control. That test is super misleading. I would have been impressed if crawl control allowed the truck to get out forward and continue climbing the hill.

 

Yes, Toyota still includes it in it's MT vehicles, at least it's on my 2017 TRD Off Road. I've never used it for it's intended purpose, but have used it when I've been too lazy to climb in my truck to crank it up in the morning.

 

I just noticed you have the MT and suddenly a lot of what you're saying clicked with me. I don't have just plain ATrac because I have CC (same system, obviously). I have TC as well, but no button for ATrac.

 

Yes I mentioned that, but most all I have said also applies to crawl control as well as ATRAC and MT-select. What is TC? Are you referring to TRAC/VSC, the on-road traction and stability systems?

If you haven’t seen this, there is bunch of good info in it.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/3rd-gen-traction-control-modes-explained.530695/

And rereading that article I just learned something. As @ShimStack implied, crawl control is a separate system which can be enabled/disable independently. I had been under the wrong assumption that it included traction control. However, I'm still under the impression that when people say CC on here, they mean crawl control + traction control.

 

I apologize, I missed that part for some reason.

Yes, I do mean TRAC/VSC. TC meaning Traction Control. There's no A Trac option in my truck, but from my understanding, that's what Crawl Control is, but more complex since it is essentially a cruise control while ATrac isn't. But, we've already talked about that though

 

ATRAC is basically MTS with no adjuster. ATRAC really has no overlap with crawl control if you define it as only speed control as per the article I linked. I have been mistakenly defining it as speed control + traction control. I didn't know you could control them separately.

Speaking of that, when would one want to use crawl control without traction control? The answer might be similar to the answer to my previous question about using the locker without traction control. I'd much rather have the option to have low range without 4wd, i.e. 2lo.

 

ATRAC is used on older Toyota vehicles right?

There was one video on youtube with a guy that went wheeling near some powerlines and there was a mudpit that he got stuck in with his 3rd gen with CC but I cannot find it.

Came across this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeZxpbUyS04

 

ATRAC is the traction control mode available on 3rd gen ORs and Pros with a manual transmission. We don't get the fancy stuff possibly because Toyota engineering thinks there is risk of killing the engine and Toyota marketing thinks that the customer who buys a manual tends to be more of an old school control freak that doesn't care for the modern "nannies".

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/3rd-gen-traction-control-modes-explained.530695/

 

Our trucks are complicated.

 

Yep. When i was still in europe, none of the cars had clutch safety switches,. If you forgot to leave it in gear and turn the ignition, then you are going for a ride. I did that quite a few times when i was screwing around with my dads golf. When i came to canada, i was surprised that you had to press the clutch to start the car.

Not sure nowdays though as i havent been back in a while.

 

I don't think it's always been that way in the US. My old man memory might be failing me, but I don't think my 1974 or 1981 Datsun's required the clutch to be depressed, but I think my 2001 Subaru did.

 

You could be right yes. The oldest MT Ive driven was 87 camaro and it did have the safety switch. My 1990 b2200, 90 civic all had the safety switches as well.

 

Right, I can agree there.

As for 2lo, I don't have much interest in that mod. I'll just settle for being able to engage my locker in any mode. The Ford F150 does not require you to be in 4lo to engage it. To be honest, the Tacoma is the first vehicle I've heard of with that requirement. Granted, I could be mistaken, but still.

 

Looks like starting in 1987 for the clutch safety switches: https://www.nhtsa.gov/interpretations/nht87-318

 

I totally bought my OR for the locker. Really comes in handy when trying to drive up a steep, muddy, rutted out roads 10 miles from nowhere with a quartered up deer in the back of the rig. Especially if you end up articulated with one rear tire in the air. Just powers through. Worth every penny to be able to get through (and out of) those types of situations

I've used crawl control to get up and over hills in sand dunes where the sand is hella deep. Works like a charm after airing down. These trucks are like a Jeep w/ a bed, except they're not fugly or unreliable

 

Not even close.

 

To each their own. Close enough for me I guess. If I needed something w/ solid axles & front/rear lockers I'd probably just build a proper mud rig out of an old Taco

 

CC = Slow speed cruise control - with the added benefit of shaking & noises that sound like the truck is in self-destruct mode.
Cruise control is a bell / whistle that holds no appeal... even on a long trip - especially in varying terrain... it is torture!
(but that is another topic...)

I wonder...
Are the situations when CC is employed such that no human could achieve the same / better results? - It would be interesting to see a test...

But if one is off road - presumably because one enjoys driving in such an environment - why would a driver intentionally relegate his participation to that of a passenger thereby avoiding the activity intended to be enjoyed???

Is autonomous off road driving widget next? - With an off road driving simulator, the need to be outside could be avoided altogether!

 

How are you relegating your participation to that of a passenger by turning on CC? Let me guess, you’re one of those guys that turns the cruise control on in the RV then gets up out of the driver’s seat and steps in the back to make himself a sandwich aren’t you?