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Engine type, size, displacement and power. Why?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Dacon, Apr 6, 2017.

  1. Apr 6, 2017 at 11:11 AM
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    Just add a 200 shot of nitrous, that will put you on par with a Raptor.
     
  2. Apr 6, 2017 at 11:24 AM
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    I was very intrigued by OrangeVirus posts here, so I started to read up on them. I actually think he is spot on about the TPS, you can really feel that, and I think that the source of one of the issues with the trans complaints. But after reading a few other manufactures forums about OrangeVirus I'm a little skeptical about the company / claims they make. Just google their name and look on the forums, I'm sure you'll find some interesting stuff.
    I can't stand blogs so usually never read them, but I'll go hunting now you've said that.
     
  3. Apr 6, 2017 at 11:26 AM
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    Two words, "Forced Induction". Toyota needs to follow suit
     
  4. Apr 6, 2017 at 11:47 AM
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    I keep telling my wife that, but she's not having any of it:rofl:
     
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  5. Apr 6, 2017 at 12:06 PM
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    Have not known 10% of this. Was just looking at type and numbers.
    Turbo, twin turbo, leaf blower (whatever is used to push air in it), wouldn't shorten the engine's life by a lot since is running hotter and faster? (unless the engine block and pistons + all else is made from special metal to withstand the heat and pressure).
     
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    Turbos have large intercoolers that go along with their package. Essentially yes though, you wouldn't put a turbo on an engine that can't handle the force at least not one without heavy modification.
     
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  7. Apr 6, 2017 at 12:11 PM
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    Honestly I didn't know that eco-boost means turbo, I thought is for dual fuel type, like it can run on corn juice (the same crap is added to the "summer" gas).
     
  8. Apr 6, 2017 at 12:16 PM
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    No, is a honest and real question.
    As I know stroke is stroke, if you have a longer stroke it increases the displacement. You can not have a 3.5L with a 4" stroke and another 3.5L with a 18" stroke on the same piston size. I am open for education.
     
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    A lot of the newer engines run on low boost during normal operation so not to hinder longevity of the engine, but still have the higher boost (more power) when needed. With that being said, yes running an engine at high boost will likely reduce life for the engine. But with the technology of engines today, it is highly unlikely you will ever see catastrophic failure in any engine that is properly maintained, even after hundreds of thousands of miles. Yes there are extenuating circumstances, but as a whole engines these days are very reliable.
     
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    The intercooler is not there to help the turbo or engine life. Forcing hot air into an engine does have the same HP gain as forcing cold air into the engine. Since the exhaust is dam hot, air being forced through the turbo is also hot, the intercooler is simply there to cool the air before it goes into the engine. There are a ton of turbo engines that don't actually use intercoolers.

    But back to the question, a turbo won't or shorten engine life. Forcing a HP/TQ increase that's beyond the engine's capability will cause shorter life, but that can be done with Turbo / Supercharger / Nitrus / fuel pressure & injectors or just a crap ETC tune.

    In all honesty, I'd be far more concerned with shortening the life of the rear diff (and maybe trans) by increasing HP than the engine in this particular vehicle.
     
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    Yes. Not so much the turbos of the 80's...
     
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    The exhaust is not what is heating the air so much as the act of compressing it is doing the heating.

    The intercooler is after the compressor wheel so that some of the heat that is created can be exchanged out before it goes into the throttle body.

    After a hard run, you could've roasted a hotdog on the compressor side of the turbos on my Rx7. They were literally glowing hot.
     
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    So, as food for thought, (in the driveway) can I do a redneck turbo system by injecting air with a leaf blower and increasing the HP?
    If turbo is nothing but air being pushed into the system (compared to aspired naturally), wouldn't a hood (functional) increase the HP? Faster you go, more air forced in and more HP?.
    Since many complain about the taco engine not having enough HP, can it be increased artificially?
     
  14. Apr 6, 2017 at 1:40 PM
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    Yes. Longer stroke equals more displacement. But if you have a smaller bore size with a longer stroke, it can be the same displacement as a motor with a bigger bore with shorter stroke. Make sense?


    Toyota 3S-GE motor has 86mm Bore and 86mm stroke.

    Honda F20C has 87mm Bore and 84mm stroke. Both are 2.0 motors. Honda with the shorter stroke has a much higher redline of 9000 rpm vs 7000 and creates more peak HP and the expense of bottom end torque.
     
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    There's science behind this stuff, there's also plenty of redneck engineering videos on youtube to look up that go through all the stuff you list. You should take a fluid dynamics class.

    Edit: In order to not sound like a dick, I'll explain a little. In order for the hood to work it has to be in a high pressure zone, so either against the windshield (cowl induction), front of the car (Pontiac ram air), or ridiculously high off the hood (mopar style). The Tacoma hood scoop is useless for this.
     
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    If you're smart enough to know how forced induction works by theory, you're smart enough to google the rest on why that wouldn't work.

    Troll for sure. :poking:
     
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    In order to create boost, the charge air needs to have positive pressure.

    That means that the vacuum your pistons are creating in the cylinders has to not only be matched, but exceeded but whatever means of forced induction you are using.

    Simply put, there is no Leaf Blower that can give you more air pressure than what your engine is creating with its vacuum.

    A turbocharger would be a great way to add power to the Tacoma, but seeing that this is a fairly new truck, and not a sports car, I highly doubt a "kit" is going to be available anytime soon. You would have to fab your own setup which isn't really too hard if you know what you are doing.
     
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    I have never seen or heard of a compressor side of a turbo glowing red. Either you have a steel compressor instead of aluminum, or something is seriously wrong with your engine. Or you are confusing the turbine side with the compressor side....
     
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    Vacuum is the opposite of pressure. Air at 1 atmosphere is at higher pressure than a cylinder on intake stroke. The problem with leaf blowers is their CFM cant match an engines' and that most of them are physically incapable of creating pressure.
     

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