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Ethanol free gas for 2 weeks

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by AWorthyOpponent, May 2, 2012.

  1. Apr 14, 2016 at 10:03 PM
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    beavis87

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    I'm looking at experimenting with ethanol free gas but the nearest station is 116 miles away (3.5 hours of freeway driving roundtrip 65-75 mph). I figure if I get the metal military surplus style cans that are 6.5" wide 14" long and 18" tall I found I could fit 33, possibly 37 five gallon cans. So each trip I could haul 165-185 gallons of ethanol free gasoline per trip (this station sells different grades ethanol free (87 89 91). http://www.pure-gas.org/ I usually go through 28 gallons of gas between two cars each week. So I could make a trip every 6-7 weeks. If I get increased fuel economy by using ethanol free fuel it might be worth the trip. However, the first big expense would be acquiring 37 of these gas cans at $22.60 on ebay, which isn't bad. So total investment upfront of $836. Considering a national emergency could jack gas prices through the roof someday or I feel like really getting out there in the boonies, I should be set for life on gas cans.

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  2. Apr 15, 2016 at 5:43 AM
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    Mind blown. Seems like a complete waste of your time man. Most of your savings is wasted driving 3.5 hours and on top of that the payback on the gas cans, wow. The increased fuel economy is nearly breakeven due to the increased cost of ethanol free.
     
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  3. Apr 15, 2016 at 5:58 AM
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    I could also look at it from a performance and longevity standpoint. Longevity in that ethanol free gas will be easier on gas tanks and seals, less chance of corrosion from higher water content, etc. Performance if I want to get the full potential out of my engine. Here its $0.15 more per gallon than where I usually get my gas. If I can create an excuse to go down there, like go wheeling then maybe.
     
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  4. Apr 15, 2016 at 6:07 AM
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    I use ethanol free gas. The gas station is only a 1/10 of a mile from me
    big difference.
     
  5. Apr 15, 2016 at 7:27 PM
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    I've always used ethanol free gas in all my vehicles. They run smoother and a little better mileage and is cleaner on the internals. Even dealer noticed on what is now my son's car when it was last serviced. Think 87 octane is what most have.. I've never actually did a comparison, but on the car trips I would get above the highway manufacturer mileage specs by around 2mpg.
    The taco doesn't seem to fair as well. Did get a trip in recently with the truck that was 19MPG mostly 70MPH some 60. The winds we've been having lately has been killer on the mileage.
    My mom used to have CRV that she'd get 30MPG constantly and it was 4wd. Above the stated mfr mileage by several. She would get gas in MO. In which they do not even sell ethanol. Wife has one year older CRV and we've never gotten that, same specs and all. Makes me wonder if the IA gas is tainted some.
     
  6. Apr 15, 2016 at 7:53 PM
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    I wish I could find Ethanol Free Fuel around here.
     
  7. Apr 15, 2016 at 8:07 PM
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    Use this site to see if your state offers E0 gasoline. If you're in the corn-belt, good luck finding anything not tainted with ethanol since your state governments are bribed by the corn lobby.

    http://pure-gas.org/
     
  8. Apr 16, 2016 at 12:47 AM
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    The math and science was done long ago so there is no need to do a ridiculous Mythbusters type experiment. The energy difference per gallon is minimal and E10 will reduce your mileage by around 3% plus or minus.
     
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    GUNGA GALUNGA 58

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    I've used 89 ethanol free for about 3 years, now. I don't have to be sold on it, I know it's better. My problem is, I'd like to move up to 91 ethanol free but I can't find any stations that sell anything more than 89 EO. Do some stations actually offer more than just 89 EO?
    My wife thinks the EO thing is just a gimmick. On the occasion that she gasses up my Tacoma she puts in regular unleaded. I can tell because my engine knocks and rattles.
     
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    Finding high octane gas will vary.. it seems more common in higher populated areas and also seems to be dependent on proximity to certain refineries.

    If you're sort of in a rural area, I would think you would have no problem finding E0 87 and maybe E0 89, but 91 or 93 probably wouldn't sell well.

    If you know of any race tracks in the area (not just tarmac racing, but even like sprint car) then you might find a race gas station nearby that might go up to some 100+ octane but it'll also run $6/gallon lol.

    Keep in mind that octane is a rating that notes the fuel's ability to resist pre-detonation and is in no way linked to its purity or quality. If your engine runs fine on 87 and is spec'd for 87 then you aren't gaining anything from 89. Also, ethanol in itself is an octane booster (go look at the octane rating on E85 gas), so to claim that ethanol gas makes your engine knock is not a correct description of what you may think you are hearing/feeling.
     
  11. Mar 28, 2017 at 6:57 PM
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    http://www.pure-gas.org/
     
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    No, I'm not in a rural setting. I'm in the city. I can find 89 ethanol free all day long. I just wanted to try a 91 ethanol free. I guess I'll heed your advise and just be happy with the 89 EO
     
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    You really would have noticed nothing with the 91. At most, it might contain some additional cleaners (like Shell V-Power), but octane has no impact on power, especially on these trucks.

    There ARE some Toyota engines that are spec'd to run on 89 for better performance, and can run on 87 for economy, but the engine in your Taco only knows how to run on 87.
     
  14. Feb 10, 2018 at 11:56 AM
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    It was a pain to read this thread so I am going to sum things up for future people:

    E10 Gas will decrease your gas mileage by ~3%. This is because:
    • Hurt mostly by Ethanol stoichiometric A/F ratio of ~9:1 compared to gasoline of ~14:7
    • Helped slightly by Ethanol's higher density
    If you care about money then pay for pure gas if it is less than 3% more expensive at the pump
    • for prices around $2.50 that is 7.5 cents
    • for prices around $4.00 that is 12 cents
    So for most people that will probably not be worth it. Pure gas may also be cleaner so if you use it for that reason, then it is a personal judgment call.

    If you are driving out of your way to buy pure gas at a higher price for the MPG gains you are doing something wrong

    sources: I did the calculations and https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=27&t=10
     

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