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Failed inspection today - bad tie rod???

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by kingston73, Oct 8, 2010.

  1. Oct 8, 2010 at 1:33 PM
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    kingston73

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    I failed my inspection today, the guy showed me why. You can put hands on either side of my right front tire and move it back and forth a bit, he said it's either a bad inner or bad outer tie rod but he'd need to put it on a lift and inspect it closer to find out. Does this sound right to y'all?

    Also, for a tie rod replacement he quoted me about $200 for the inner or a little less for the outer, he said it's an hour job for the inner one and about 30 minutes for the outer. Again, is this about right? I've never done any steering related work on my truck.

    Last question, will I need an alignment after I get this done? I'm planning on getting some new tires in another month or so anyway and was going to get it done then.
     
  2. Oct 8, 2010 at 1:35 PM
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    I dont know how your inspections go but ya you will need an alignment after the install. That may be included with the job but I'm not sure. and It could or could not be the tie rods at all. Your best bet would be to get it on a lift and have someone check it out. Could be the rack and pinion also.
     
  3. Oct 8, 2010 at 1:36 PM
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    Could be bad wheel bearings as well. I've seen that before.
     
  4. Oct 8, 2010 at 1:49 PM
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    x2 on scott with the wheel bearing
     
  5. Oct 8, 2010 at 2:09 PM
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    I assume he put hands on the top and bottom of the wheel, tried a similar test, didn't get movement, and therefore ruled out wheel bearing.

    But if you're not going to DIY, yeah, just take it to a mechanic you trust. $200 all up including parts and alignment, seems *very* reasonable to me.
     
  6. Oct 8, 2010 at 2:47 PM
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    He never lifted it so didn't do a top and bottom test. I can move it right/left if I push/pull on it, but I haven't lifted it myself to try top/bottom.
    Would that be a wheel bearing test?
    Is there any way for me to self-diagnose it first?
    If tie-rod, does it make sense to just replace the whole thing? I'm assuming its all from 2001 so wouldn't the non-replaced side wear out soon too?
    How hard a job is it to DIY for the tie rods?
    How hard a job is it to DIY the wheel bearings?
     
  7. Oct 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM
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    Ya mine failed because of the outer tie rod end. Guy had the truck on a lift and shook the tire back and forth a bunch. I bought a Toyota one for 60 bucks or so, took an hour to install, and then got a $50 alignment afterward.
     
  8. Oct 8, 2010 at 3:34 PM
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    Outer Tie rod end replace should be pretty easy. Make sure to buy or rent a tie rod end puller - much easier than BFHing it.

    Wheel bearing's a little more involved.

    I usually take the shop labor book time and multiply by four to figure out how long it'll take me to do the job. I'm a hobbyist not a pro, and I work s-l-o-w.

    You need tools, jackstands, jack, patience, and a back-up car to make tool/parts runs to the store while the truck you're fixing's up on jackstands.
     
  9. Oct 8, 2010 at 3:36 PM
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    After tie-rod ends, no matter which, you'll need an alignment after - that's not something you can DIY.

    I don't *think* wheel bearing replace should cause a need for alignment.
     
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    I've been looking at the shop manual and watching some youtube vids since I first posted, and went under the truck and the boot around the inner rod has a great big rip in it, so I'm thinking it's most likely the inner tie rod. From what I've seen, it looks like you need a special tool to remove the inner one?
    It looks relatively easy to replace the outer, but if I replace both I won't have to worry about it. Now I need to look for a place that sells the boot as well.
     
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    There seems to be a million different brands to choose from. Advance auto sells several, how good are Beck/Arnley products? I could get an inner and outer and the boot for $114 from Advance. If I do it myself do I need a special wrench to loosen the inner or can I just use a big cresent wrench?
     
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    Found Moog inner and outers at Advanced Auto, have to go back tomorrow to pick up the boot because they had to order and ship it. I've got PB BLaster soaking on the rod threads now and will probably jack it up and start to try taking things apart later today. Advance lets you rent (free with return) a special tool for the inner, so hopefully things will be relatively easy. I'm planning on taking some pictures as I go, I've read a few different tutorials online and it seems like it's not terribly difficult. Any of y'all done this yourselves, and if so is there anything I need to look out for?
     
  14. Oct 9, 2010 at 11:20 AM
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    wat?
    1st gens....WOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D
     
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    wat?
    no taco has legitimately had that issue....same for prius, etc
     
  18. Oct 10, 2010 at 11:58 AM
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    Finished but no pictures. It took a total of 2 hours, including the time it took at advance auto getting some tools and parts. I ended up using the following tools:
    big pipe wrench - unscrewed the inner with this and held the inner while unscrewing the locknut
    Channel locks- used these to pinch the lock washer down around the inner
    adjustable wrench - need either this or a 30 mm wrench for the lock nut
    BFH - used this to beat the S*&T out of the outer tie rod to get it loose from the knuckle. The local Advance Auto guys didn't have a puller, and the pickle fork I had didn't work at all to separate them. I don't know how you're supposed to get the outer tie rod loose without destroying the threads or the boot so can't help there.

    I made sure to use thread lock on the inner tie rod, even though it has a lock washer the different sources I've read recommend using it.

    The old ITR was incredibly loose, I could move the ball about 1/4 inch in and out. The OTR was pretty loose too, so hopefully this makes my steering feel a bit better. Now I just have to wait until weds or thurs to take it back, get it re-inspected, and get it aligned.

    Total price for the whole thing: $120 inner and outer MOOG parts
    about $50 in tools I didn't have
    complete job - less than $200. The shop estimated it would be $200 for just the inner, he said the inner would cost $116 and the outer $100. Don't know what manufacturer he was getting them from, but damn, where'd he get those prices from?

    Oh yeah, and if any of you plan on doing this yourselves, the long inner tie rod tool sold at harbor freight and other places, (the one you can see being used in several youtube vids) doesn't work for the 1st gen tacoma. At least the one that Advance Auto had didn't, it wouldn't fit over the inner tie rod enough to get to the flats.
     
  19. Oct 10, 2010 at 6:23 PM
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    never had one pull me out....
     
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