Finally 2016 MPGs

Horsepower Torque Transmission Drive MPG
2.7-liter I4 159 180 6-speed Auto 4×2 19/23/21
2.7-liter I4 159 180 5-speed Man 4×4 19/21/20
2.7-liter I4 159 180 6-speed Man 4×4 19/22/20

3.5-liter V6 278 265 6-speed Auto 4×2 19/24/21
3.5-liter V6 278 265 6-speed Man 4×4 17/21/19
3.5-liter V6 278 265 6-speed Auto 4×4 18/23/20

Wow, 2 mpg better on the highway on the V6 auto 4x4 as compared between the 2015 and 2016. FAIL Toyota, big FAIL.

 

agreed!!!

 

So , it looks like I'm going to have to eat crow on this one!!!!!! dam salesmen

 

It took Toyota 10 years to achieve that.

The 2005 Tacoma 4x4 went from an EPA rated 16/20 to the 2016 rated at 18/23 (+2/+3) in 10 years. The manual goes from 16/19 to 17/21 (+1/+2).

The 2005 F-150 4x4 went from an EPA rated 13/17 (5.4L) in 2005 to a 2015 rating of 17/23 (+4/+6) in 10 years.

The 2005 Silverado 4x4 went from an EPA rating of 13/17 (5.3L) in 2005 to a 2015 rating of 16/22 (+3/+5) in 10 years.

The 2005 Dodge Ram 4x4 went from an EPA rating of 12/16 (5.7L) in 2005 to a 2015 rating of 15/21 (+3/+5) in 10 years.

All the full-size trucks provided more power, towing, etc. and made larger fuel economy improvements in the same time that it took Toyota to make these improvements. If this was a 2010/11 Model and the 4th Gen was coming out now it would be a different story.

 

Brand loyalty is funny like that. What they're doing sells trucks so they try to make improvements without straying too far from what made them the king of midsize trucks. In doing so they are labeled as too conservative and turn away some loyal customers that wanted vast improvements. In terms of fuel efficiency though, if they could produce this same truck with the same of better HP, torque, towing, and payload but with 30mpg they certainly would have. "Conservative" makes it sound like they choseto disappoint the masses with pedestrian improvement in fuel efficiency.

This is my first Toyota after driving Chevys and Fords. What directions are you considering? In terms of trucks...the Tacoma efficiency will be hard to beat.

 

Only thing that is sticking out is the Colorado diesel, guessing over 30 mpg, 200 lbs better payload, better towing (though I care more about payload and mpg's) so pretty easily beats the Tacoma. While I don't need that much torque 369 ft/lbs....I tend lug my vehicles, should be able to pull our mountain passes loaded down at ease at a very low rpm.

Yeah there is reliability trust issues, but it is a brand new truck...it has a warranty. I know guys like to bash Chevy's but majority of the people I know that own them...have been pretty happy with them.

 

Maybe I misread, but is the ground clearance actually 9.4 in, which is .3 more than the outgoing 15 OR and .1 in more than the 15 Pro? And 1.1 more inches than a Calomino? I'm telling you, the street squeegee matters for MPGs. Buy a Colomino, by all means.

 

Toyota wasn't using a 300+ cid motor 10 years ago & the Tacoma didn't go on an aluminum diet for weight loss. And it appears its ESTIMATED MPG numbers are still better than most (maybe all) of the full size offerings.

I'd like to say I'm interested in seeing what the real world numbers are for comparrison purposes but, I actually don't care. If I need a full size, I'll buy one (like my old PowerStroke which did as well as my 2012 Taco re MPG). If I'm concerned about MPGs I'll drive something different.

In any case I think the 2016 is a decent overall package/offering....other than none ventilated seats & fake leather.

 

Every F150 is made in either Kansas or Detroit. None are made in Mexico. Tacoma's are made in Baja Mexico as well as Texas. Check your facts. Toyota does have a lot of vehicles on the top 10 made in America list, but not the Tacoma.

I think you meant to say GM is building most of their cars in Mexico, which is true.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2014/07/01/ford-f-150-pickup-is-most-american-made-car/

BTW I own a Mexican made Tacoma. I wasn't trying to start any shit about where things are made. All I was saying is that if you are buying an American/Domestic brand you are better off with Ford over GM or Chrysler IMHO. Both GM and Chrysler drag their ass innovating and wait until someone forces them too. Ford moves ahead of the curve and keeps their reliability fairly high. Anyways, back to bitching about this Tacoma's insufficient improvements. Rabble rabble rabble.

 

There was an article around here showing the Silverado had fallen off to being 97% lower in average reliability. GM is cutting corners. I would be okay with your warranty argument if I wasn't worried about breaking down on a middle of nowhere gravel road or in mountian on some trail where I might not be able to get back out for a while and warranty wouldn't help.

 

Where did you get these numbers?
I haven't seen an article that listed mpgs yet.

 

You forgot to mention the price increase too

 

http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases/2016+toyota+tacoma+debut+aug17.htm

 

I have had Toyotas leave me stranded, no vehicle is immune. I dunno, I never hear my Chevy buddies bitch and moan....though plenty of bitching from the Ford guys. after that 6.0 fiasco, surprised people still buy them.

Blame Toyota for having people looking elsewhere, and willing to take a chance on something else. Toyota has been resting on its' laurels for too damn long. If Nissan was smart they would get that diesel Frontier to market ASAP. Not as good as Toyota, betting people would trust them more than GM, simply because they are Japanese, and Cummins has a great name for themselves.

 

Oh...and there's that.

What is the 2015 vs. 2016 by model $ delta? I've not really looked...

I wonder how it compares to the others being discussed when comparably equipped? I also wonder (not so much) how they will compare in terms of long(er) term reliability & build quality?

 

I love how everyone here thinks a less expensive truck is going to have the same MPG tech as the more expensive trucks. You pay less to get into a mid size, so you don't get as much. MPG tech included. This is nothing new.

 

Your GM buddies must not be driving their trucks lol. To be honest from my fleet experience the only place Ford has had troubles is with the older Diesels. Particularly the older 6.0 L.

As for Toyota leaving you stranded I haven't had that experience with one. I have experienced that with a Sierra and an Alero in the past though. There will always be bad eggs from any manufacturer, but Toyota seems to put out less of them and the data supports that. GM seems to be putting out more crap. Check out the threads on 355nation talking about water leaks and computer issues on the new Colorado. That would scare the crap out of me if I was going to take the truck into even mild water. I don't want a wrecked ECU because I played around in a 6" puddle and splashed to much water near the windshield.

Look, you're looking for the cheapest way to buy a new truck that can handle a heavy load. I can understand your Diesel tunnel vision because it suits your need. This Tacoma gets about the same V6 mileage as the Colorado last year. All that stands out on the Colorado is the Diesel option. I'd personally hold off until it has been out 3 years before making the huge investment in the oiler Colorado. See if GM built this one right or like a POS as they built the recent Silverado.

Spot on man. The companies that have the best technology spend the most money on development and research to stay class leading. That just isn't Toyota's style. They usually hang back about 1 generation to save some coin and lean on higher reliability with limited stock to make better money.

 

Yeah you gotta think about it from a corporate perspective. A 30 mpg gas-powered Tacoma would no doubt cannibalize Tundra sales. There is going to be a 30 mpg+ Colorado/Canyon but to avoid too much cannibalized sales from their darling Silverado/Sierra models they will raise the price significantly on the 2.8 Duramax making a $42k Colorado/Canyon a real possibility. At that price point, only people with deep pockets will get the mid-size offering because they are absolutely set on a smaller pickup.

 

Yup.

The sad thing is given GM's declining reliability from the Silverado this approach may only equal short term sales. The next few years will tell. Anyways Toyota's goal always seems to just release a competitive offering, not a class leading one, which is basically what they've done. On paper the 2015 Tacoma didn't keep up with a Colorado in form or function. Now the Tacoma does.

Plus, to be perfectly honest, if the Diesel Colorado somehow becomes a large seller I'm willing to guess Toyota will eventually throw a Diesel in their own truck. Under the same vein I think Nissan has blown their financial load on making the new heavy half ton Titan. If it doesn't pan out as well as they are hoping I doubt we will see a Diesel Frontier. BTW I'm not knocking Diesel or Nissan there, just making a comment that pretty much sums up what is happening with Nissan. Time will tell if the Frontier sees an update here or just dies off like the Ranger.

 

Jon have you priced the others?

A few weeks ago I had my 4Runner at Oxford Toyota for service. That dealership shares a home with a Ford dealership. To waste time, I walked both lots looking at everything from the Yaris to a commercial cab chassi F-XXX diesel.

They had numerous F150s priced >$60k & several F250/350s >$70k. I'm amazed theses trucks sell in the numbers they do with those prices...I can only guess F is giving some serious incentives or people are ass deep in debt. $38k for a Taco & $52k for a Tundra seem like a bargin to me when I see some of the others.