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Ham radio, mobile strength with portable capabilities, help

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by MadeInMaine, Aug 11, 2017.

  1. Aug 11, 2017 at 5:54 AM
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    MadeInMaine

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    Good morning everyone,

    I am looking to install a ham radio into my rig.
    I would like the strength of a hard wired mobile unit, but also have the ability to unhook and throw a portable in my pack and go hiking away from the rig.
    I know I can get an external antenna mounted on the roof with a portable to extend range, but that doesn't up the power. Portables are usually only 5Ws I believe and mobiles can get 20w.

    So, any suggestions on a unit that I can hard wire in for mobile use, but pop out and go for a walk with a portable. I am hoping not to have to buy 2 separate units, but I may have to.

    Cheers

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  2. Aug 11, 2017 at 9:27 AM
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    By the time you get your license you'll be able to answer all your own questions.
     
  3. Aug 11, 2017 at 10:25 AM
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    There's nothing like that. Just buy a mobile and then get a handheld when you're out of the truck like everyone else does.
     
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    What setup did you end up getting? I was going Baofeng but the Guys at HRO talked me into a Yaesu ft-60r. I also bought a Comet 24s mag mount and dc adapter.
     
  7. Oct 9, 2017 at 7:20 PM
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    Who says you need a license :)

    Really no way of finding out who it is, especially someone mobile.
     
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    i think they call that a fox hunt exercise.
    they will triangle your location.
    very difficult to find someone mobile that
    doesn't key up often.
     
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    Haha oh no the radio nerds will be after me
     
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    yup but requires the person to constantly transmit. Fox hunting is a legit game, using it find someone operating illegially is almost impossible.

    First the person has to tune into you transmitting then make a decision that you are illegal, then try to directional find you, that could be miles away.

    Unless someone is obnoxious I doubt anyone would make the effort, also requires burden of proof.
     
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    Buy a nice dual-bander with a small detachable control head and mount the radio under the seat. I have an old Yeasu 5200 that I attached the head below the dash with velco - Turned out great. As for a hand-held - Look for something with LI Batteries, a dual bander there is nice too. By the way, for those of you that see my license plate - It is NOT a vanity call. (I'm just old)
     
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    People without licenses are accepted on 11 meters (CB). Hams won't put up with it for long - we can autocheck call signs within seconds, and direction finding fakes happens instantly using doppler RDF (radio direction finders) to triangulate them. It's easy to ban fakes from using repeaters, and to make their on-air lives very boring by giving them a well coordinated silent treatment. They either quit, get a knock at the door and are caught in the act sooner or later in the end. That's why listening in on amateur radio sounds well regulated and not like CB, 4-10 good buddy? :)
     
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    For these purposes, people aren't talking to you or other randos on the air waves, they are talking to others they know so silent treatment is useless. You would also have to find their frequency, an illegal isn't going to have a call sign for you to check.

    Trust me the theory is sound but not practical
     
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    You are right, they are using it simplex and it usually doesn't bother anyone. It's the bozos that transmit and try to repeatedly jam up communications on repeaters that become t-hunter bait. Luckily though, the amateur bands have not turned into CB land- that is a really useful band for many reasons, however I wouldn't let my students or other youth groups I've worked with monitor or transmit on it anymore as we've had terrible people replying on it- Hams are so much more polite and respectful whenever I've hosted kids on the air. I also have used it at school several years ago to make a QSO with the ISS - that was a highlight, and with all the audience listening in, we were never interrupted. That's how well self- regulated the Ham bands are.
     
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    I've been foxhunted before by a couple of Elmer's, and pretty quickly too. Showed up near the end of a 30-45 minutes long range fpv flight where I was using encrypted uhf controls pumping out 100w. I was legit (still am) and they were cool once that was figured out, but these guys look for violators for fun and the FCC takes ham reports pretty seriously. That said, most people illegally on a 5w ht are going to skirt trouble way more often than not.

    To answer the original question, I think your best bet for getting an in car and handheld setup to work together is crossband repeat. If I'm remote enough I'll leave my radio in my truck on when I park it and set up my ht and mobile to work together so that the truck picked up my weaker ht signal and pumps it back out full strength on a different channel. Any replies are then bounced back through the truck and back to my handset. Works flawlessly. I run a Yaesu FTM400XDR in the truck and a FT2DR ht.
     
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    I use a 1/4watt credit card HT and my mobile in the truck as a repeater, too. Works great!
     
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    Yup, to do what you want you'll need something to do crossband repeat. Run 1 freq from your handheld to mobile, and then the mobile can repeat on a different freq on a higher power. Radios I know of that can do it are FTM350AR, FT8900R, as forty2 said his ftm400, and Kenwood 71A series.
     
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