If you weren't going to buy a Tacoma

I am hoping they will try to undercut everybody else for first 2 years just to grab market. Considering new Tacoma will be hitting $40k + I think fully loaded Titan will be over $50k. But I am hoping cheaper version with Diesel with out most of the fancy gizmos should be in low $40k's so probably I am grabbing one.

That looks like platinum edition so most likely in upper $50k's still I like that a lot.


Also from here
http://social.cummins.com/introducing-2016-nissan-titan-xd-powered-cummins/

Supposedly 12 000LB towing and 2000 lb of payload. 1 ton truck?
Some of the key specs of the 2016 Nissan Titan XD:
Engine: Cummins 5.0L V8 Turbo Diesel with Holset M2 two-stage turbo system
Maximum payload: More than 2,000 lbs (when properly equipped)
Maximum towing: More than 12,000 lbs (when properly equipped)
Horsepower: 310 HP @ 3,200 rpm
Torque: 555 lb-ft @ 1,600 rpm <<<<<<




It actually looks to be the size of F150 I wonder if that's the price point they going to use.

 

I could deal with $40's, and I agree on the rest. Why would I go to a tacoma in the $40's that doesn't have the power and capacity I need when I could get all of those for the same price in an F150?

I'm also hoping they'll trying to meet/beat the F150 as well, but when I see an F150 or other Ford with diesel at $50+ it makes me wonder. Makes me question how badly do they want to win market share, and how much they're willing to undercut profits to do it.

 

Man, those numbers are very disappointing if the Titan XD is hoping to compete with the 3/4 ton market, which is where those prices are. Good numbers for a half ton, but a gas job F150 challenges that Nissan no problem.

2015 Ford F150

Engine: 3.5 L V6 Ecoboost Twin Turbo
Maximum payload: More than 3,000 lbs (when properly equipped)
Maximum towing: More than 12,000 lbs (when properly equipped)
Horsepower: 365 HP @ 5,000 rpm
Torque: 420 lb-ft @ 2,500 rpm <<<<<<

The F150 I can get right now from dealer in a XLT trim for around 38K Canadian dollars. That's 30K American. If the Titan XD is 42 K that's a lot of price difference just so a truck can roll coal and not do anything else better than other 1/2 tons.

 

I was really thinking Nissan was going to throw out numbers like 13K-16K lbs towing and +3K payload in order to make the XD a true "heavy half ton". Right now the numbers aren't that impressive unless you are buying it just because it's a diesel.

 

I'm seeing $48k USD at dealers near me, $37k at a dealer 140 miles away via TrueCar discount, for the F150 NOT fully loaded or maxed out for tow/payload.

At this point $42k for an XD wouldn't be bad, in comparison.

 

There's no pricing yet on the Titan XD. Everything is just a guess. I'd count on a 5K markup at least over a similar gas Titan. What's a gas Titan worth in your area right now? That shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

My point is, to me, the Titan XD is disappointing at those numbers. To me those numbers scream that the Titan will be just a Diesel half ton, which doesn't work out price wise for me. If you tow a travel trailer a lot you'll want the heavier 3/4 ton frame over the Titan XD if the price is close enough.

38K was the price I was given, after discounts, from a local dealership I do a lot of business with for a new F150 4X4 with trailing equipment and not much else in the way of upgrades. I didn't ask to many questions, but it did come with the 3.5 L Ecoboost which would put it's tow rating somewhere around 11,000 pounds with 2,500 pounds of payload from what I checked online. Whenever car companies throw out numbers they are always for a base model with the longest box possible, hence the highest payload and towing. If the Nissan XD has no long box than the numbers are better, but still not where I would like them to be on a Cummins equipped full sized truck. I priced one out, the F150 that is, for the wife since we are buying in the next year or so. Watch when Ford does there "family pricing" this summer. That's where the Ford will drop too, at least up here in Canada.

I'm expecting a price increase on trucks up here soon if the dollar stays where it's at.

 

I dont know to me F150 vs Titan XD is a toss at that point.
Spec wise 1000LB payload extra on F150 is nice. But there is less Torque on the F150 and at higher RPMs too. So that V8 TurboDiesel is a win.

Both most likely will have 12 000LB towing capacity so that's even.
Once Titan XD is on sale I will grab FSM for it to see what that Engine setup is. From what I was reading it supposed to be one of the simplest designs and if that's true maybe this can run on BioDiesel or straight Veggie oIl like most of RAMs.
That was a benefit older diesels, all you needed was to run Veggie oil through filter and strainer and you got yourself free fuel. Pay your road tax to state if yours requires you to, and you driving for pennies.

 

I'd probably get an older Yota pickup or a first gen 4-Runner.
If I couldn't get a Toyota at all, I'd get me a square body Chevy.

 

Even if they are both rated for 12k, the Titan could win by doing it with a 4wd or a higher trim than the base 2wd with extra towing package.

I am actually liking it so far. Cummins, Asian trans, boxed frame, a normal ish looking grill. nice looking interior. we shall see soon! Hope its priced to sell!

 

That's what's bothering me right now! No ballpark price for the XD so I have no idea if it's worth waiting for! (If it's between 50 and 60k, it's out of my budget no matter what so why hang onto a failing vehicle for no reason?)

Seeing how the other auto companies charge $8k or more for their diesel options I'm expecting the same from Nissan, but hoping they *really* want to gain ground in the truck market like they claim and will do whatever it takes to get there.

I wanted to look at current Titans in my area to get an idea what they're like now since I haven't seen one up closed since 2005-ish, but they don't stay on the lots. I need to drive 30 miles the opposite direction from work to get to another Nissan dealer, and I don't know if they had any on the lot. I could do an online price search for ideas I suppose. However, with all new truck prices going up (the taco is close to $40?!?) I'm not sure how useful that will be. I really just want Nissan to release all the info NOW so I can plan better.

 

Yeah also 10.5 inch axle with Electronic lock. That supposed to be axle from Ram 2500 , I am not sure but I think that's a full float (yay that could mean serviceable wheel bearings)

 

I'm curious if Nissan will move on price with the Titan XD like they do right now. I know you can get a Titan with ridiculous discounts just like a Ford, GM, or Dodge, but will they lock that down on the Titan XD? In that case pricing will get even more complicated.

I wouldn't run veggy oil through a truck without putting it through the heating/cracking process first. Lots of stories of gunking the injectors even after filtering if guys didn't "process" the oil before running it. Buying a +40K truck and running used french fry oil through it seems sketchy to me in general.

 

So are you saying that Nissan is going to price this truck under the Ram 2500 and yet give all the same options as the Ram 2500? Because last time I checked the order sheets Ram made sure to price there trucks well under everyone else. I doubt Nissan would try to sewer their profit by pricing under the Ram.

 

Is the Titan supposed to get 28mpg like the ram legitimately does?

 

Meh its not that bad, Actually more likely injectors will last longer since they get more lubrication.
Plus I would not run Veggie oil in Winter (nothing below 50F) just summer and would run preheater too.

Dont know what the price will be, so who knows maybe they will price them just like 2500 RAM's but Nissan officials said they are targeting entry level hence why its 5L V8 not an 6 L Cummins. Truck also will be smaller than RAM 2500. (size of F150) So I can not see them pricing this as RAM2500.

 

I think you mean cleaning, since Biodiesel cleans deposits off. Unprocessed plant oils aren't the same thing as Biodiesel though. I work in Ag, there's been a ton of talk about this. You have to heat process Veggy oil to get it to Biodiesel. There are kits/plants available from several companies but they aren't as cheap as people think.

Ram 2500's cost more because of the axles and powertrain strengthening over a Ram 1500. With 550 ft*lbs of torque Nissan will need to use a 3/4 ton powertrain or facing blowing out even more differentials than the original Titan did. I see this truck tucking just under the price of a Ram 2500 Diesel, and have similar pricing to a gas job 3/4 ton.

Like I said, a lot of the pricing will depend if Nissan decides to dump these trucks for heavy discounts like they did with the last of the 1st generation Titans.

 

Not likely from a 5 L Cummins. The motor in that Ram is a much smaller diesel. Given that most guys around here get about 16-19 mpgs with there diesels in 3/4 tons I think 20-22 mpg is a reasonable expectation from the Titan XD.

 

I agree. Price is very much what keeps Nissan in the market as it is. A big reason many people I know bought their Frontier was price. An identically equipped Tacoma costs more, so if you're not really set on one over the other it makes it an easy choice.

Don't know any Titan owners...don't see many around, but I expect price comes into play there too.

 

Nissan tried to get full price for the Titan in the first couple of years, and then sewered the price since about 2010 to try to get some sales. If they sewer the price of the Titan XD with point of sale mark downs than there's no doubt in my mind they will sell a lot just because it has a Cummins. That name, and diesel engines in general, tend to get some guys rocks off.

 

I would say maybe we could compare it to the.. never mind. the 6.0 powerchoke was too bad to even compare.

Everyone I know that had a Titan bough it because of the flashy BS and the cheap price with "big" v8 over trucks similarly priced. Every one I have seen either gets offroad tires, or ghetto size wheels. They all break offroad and they half break on the road.

Not person I have known who bought one was happy with it for long.

The Frontier on the other hand, not as reliable as a hard body but still good trucks and I know people who love them. I like them myself except the horrid interior!