Is a K&N oil filter overkill for a 1st gen Taco? also crush washer, belts issues

Nice find, that's a good article. Makes me feel better about sticking with the Toyota filter, sounds like the ACDelco and Supertech ones are to avoided. K&N ranks highly but not necessarily worth the extra cost, sort of what I figured

 

That's some good info! Thanks for sharing.

 

The Orange can of Death !!!!!!!

 

got some OEM filters for $3.60 ea at local toyota, tax included

belts I have the gates set at V-Belt guys for $27.75 shipped

Need to decide on oil....

I had a Yamaha XT500 1981 motorcycle that I rode all the way to Argentina on Chevron Delo Diesel Engine oil, the logic being was that if that worked on a Diesel Engine it will work great on a single cylinder vintage 498cc engine and it did.

Has anyone used Diesel engine oil on a Taco and - most important - perceived any benefits?

I do not like synthetic, it is an irrational thing, but I do recall in the 80s having an engine blown due to synthetic of the time oil not living up to its fame/reputation.

Please chip in with the oil debate, to Diesel or not to Diesel?

 

yup. Totally.

God forbid I don't go with a factory OEM filter, or one that costs 3x as much.

If none of my vehicles have exploded in the last 25 years of me using them, and 100+k miles on my tacoma, I highly doubt they're going to start exploding now.

How weird that a place that sells Toyota filters is telling you that Toyota filters are the best.

There is no denying that Toyota filters are great filters, but this is kinda like Royal Purple tell you that Royal Purple oil is the best and the tests they performed prove it.

 

Fram filters have an issue with the bypass valve and allowing unfiltered oil back into the engine

 

link for reference?

 

I'm sure they do.

Do you have a recall notice or consumer builtin for this?

Again, my engines no 'splode.

Just change your oil/filters at regular intervals and it doesn't really matter what you run.

 

Yep mate!

They did all this work pulling the filters apart, microphotography and what I can only regard as a thorough, quasi-scientific research paper, but it was all just a ploy aiming to convince you to ditch your Fram dependency and buy toyota OEM instead.

So glad you spotted them. I was so fooled. Damn! I just purchased some Toyota OEM filters. What do I do now?

 

https://youtu.be/iTNJLEV8CG8

 

I actually specifically said OEM were good filters, but maybe you missed that part of my post. I assume you actually read it...

That post had NOTHING to do with my "fram dependency" as you call it. I just mentioned that the source was hardly unbiased, since it's a toyota dealer telling you that toyota is of course the best. Maybe it is. But I never even said I think fram is the best at anything, only that having that rubbery coating is a nice convenience, and that my use of the filters hasn't caused any of my vehicles to explode.

In the article you posted, they don't even test if the flow rate is affected by the rubber/plastic piece they talk about, they just assume that it does. Not only that, but they don't even test if there is a threashold at which a higher flow rate stops being advantageous, and if any of the filters are above or below that threashold. They also just simply assume that surface area, for which Toyota happens to have the highest is THE determining factor for filtration.

They also assume in the article that Toyota wouldn't equip a vehicle with an inadequate design, because, you know, OEM is obviously the best and is 100% perfect... But let's ignore frame rust and 1st gen ball joint design and pretend that Toyota is 100% the best at everything.

 

You can change your thread title by clicking the "Thread Tools" drop down in the upper right corner.

 

Hey relax Jbrandt!
all good!
Just taking the piss on your Fram liking, in exchange for your maligning a pretty comprehensive read about filters, where they DO NOT NECESSARILY push the Toyota ones.
I think the article is well written, they did a lot of damage to those filters and their conclusions are fair. However, you trashed it.
Fair enough.
I have gone for the oem at half the price of a K&N. Time will tell I guess.
Regards

 

done and thanks for the tip

 

wow no one is going to post @chris4x4's thread here? I'm disappointed in you all.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/toyota-oil-filter-made-in-thailand-vs-the-competition.123608/

Enjoy. I only use Toyota filters from now on.

 

Well, heres my 2 cents. In my Tacoma I use no name paper air filters frequently changed or cleaned out when taking multi-day off road trips. I won't use K&Ns air filters mostly based off my motorcycle experience. Every real dirt bike uses a UNI/No Toil type foam oil foam filter and they have to be cleaned and oiled regularly, and thats is a PIA but it works. The K&N's advertise " flows more air" and I am not a physisist but if it flows more air it HAS to flow more dirt, right? Motorcycle Consumer News which is kind of like the Consumer Reports of motorcycles had a guy write an article who was in charge of mining equipment at some mine and was spending six figures a years on paper air filters. He had custom K&N filters made and the oil analysis showed a lot more dirt so they switched back. I also had a friend that ran the K&N on his adventure bike and he oiled the filter with motor oil, instead of the K&N oil, and dusted the cylinder in one weekend burning significant oil and he had to hone the cylinder and replace the rings. Thats proof enough for me to stay away from K&N type filters, and they make cleanable reusable oil filters and I won't use those either based not the same concept but with no real evidence, and that same logic extends to the aftermarket screw on oil filters as well. I will, and have used their crank case breather filter on street motorcycles. I use a factory Toyota oil filter on my Tacoma for $8.54 on Amazon, why not? I change my daughters oil on her 1.8L Matrix and she buys the cheapest oil filter she can at Walmart and at 180,000 miles it has shown no ill effects, but , with my prompting, it gets changed every 5000 miles.

 

touché and thanks for pointing to that thread to us noobs

I am absolutely satisfied after doing my research today that FRAM stands for Filter Rated Absolute Merde

 

from what info I've read WALMART Super tech oils and filters are on par with the other major brands and most are made in USA by Champion labs same company that makes the K&N,AC Delco oil filters, your 2.4l uses the standard drive belts so getting the ones from local auto parts places will suffice, check out ROCKAUTO pretty good place to source parts also

 

Who do you think you are to bring in actual measurements and data? Huh!?
I don't care what you and your science BS says, I been running this filter for this long and my grandpappy also been running same one and no problems ever, so take that!

People love and accept data as long as it backs their opinion. And if the data doesn't back their opinion then its flawed or not good enough, etc
I say to them, man up and admit that you use shit quality oil filters and you're okay with it, even when the shit is proven to be shit. No need to justify to anyone that you use shit filters. If it was me I'd keep my mouth shut and not brag that my shitty oil filters haven't ruined my engine yet. Because we know the ONLY possible negative result of using shitty oil filters is a blown up engine, so if engine hasn't blown up then that means the oil filters I use are fine...

I'm being a putz and being overly extra about it on purpose.

I was really surprised on some of the replies though. Surprised that people would think less filtering is better, I guess some also think less air filtering is better as well. If we didn't have the data points, I'd understand.

 

lol, yeah, all good man.

I just kinda do science stuff for a living so I try to look at all possible variables, and read with a critical eye.

I wouldn't say I trashed it. I think they did a decent job at comparing what their resources allowed them to compare.

But while some people may focus on their conclusion that OEM is the best, I focused on these parts: "determining the performance of a specific medium is nearly impossible without expensive testing equipment, and even then certain assumptions must be made" and the microscopic analysis they did was "not very actionable."

In other words, they are making claims about the performance of a set of filters without actually doing any of the testing they say is required to make that kind of determination.