Jeep Gladiator

There's no way that MTS /Crawl control is superior to front locker as you've mentioned . I take it you've never rode or driven a Jeep with locked front and rear axles before ?? . I've driven many Rock Crawlers over the years with locked front / rear axles like Detroit lockers or spools and have gone places that even a Jeep with a LSD front and Detroit locker in the rear couldnt go

I'd like to see how far a new Tacoma would go with its MTS / Crawl control . let's say for instance the Jack hammer trail at the Hammers in Johnson Valley Ca

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nf8GV0AvtI

 

The proportions of the body and the bed are a bit off imo.

 

I dunno bro. Crawl control can do this

https://youtu.be/19BNRvuNLWE

Pretty certain I would have to just abandon my Tacoma without crawl control if it were ever in that situation.

 

You can build and get pricing now at Jeep.com. TLDR: Expensive buggers, may as well just get the Rubicon.

I built the entry level Sport with autotrans, Trak-LOk anti-spin rear axle, hardtop, basic tow package, aux switch pkg, smoker's pkg. $39,405. Apparently, you can't get the Cargo Management Pkg on the Sport (bed rails and 115v outlet in bed), nor can you get the various soft tops.

Sport S with autotrans, Cargo Management, 7-inch display, Trak-Lok rear diff, hardtop, block heater, base tow pkg, Aux switch pkg, smoker's pkg, $45,185.

Overland with autotrans, Cargo Management, 8.4-inch display, Trak-Lok rear diff, hardtop, block heater, base tow pkg, Aux switch pkg, smoker's pkg, $48,840.

Rubicon with autotrans, Cargo Management, 7-inch display, hardtop, block heater, base tow pkg, Aux switch pkg, smoker's pkg, winch-capable front bumper, $51,490.

 

So can a low geared jeep that's locked front /rear

My last Jeep I had was a 68 M38A1 with a Buick V6 , GM 1 ton SM465 granny 4spd , modified Dana 18 t/case , Warn overdrive , Dana 44's front / rear with Detroit lockers and the rear axle was a full floater with locking hubs

My overall low range gearing was 124:1 , 6.54 1rst gear , 3.50 low range , and 5.38 gears with the overdrive which provided 25% reduction I could split ea gear and had the capability of 12 forward 3 reverse gears

In low range it was 3k rpm at 5mph and if going down a steep hill it would take forever unless I increased throttle input


This is a pic of my old jeep and I idled up this hill , no throttle input whatsoever

 

I can only imagine the premium the Canadian prices will have on top of the currency exchange. I just built a Rubicon on the US jeep site and it came out to $58,840 USD which currently equals $78,525 CAD.

That is pretty insane, but it's not any more expensive than the luxury full size truck trims either. I am sure the used prices will be pretty high as well and there is no way I could ever see myself spending that kind of money on a vehicle.

They do look pretty cool though and I definitely want one

 

That breakover angle is a problem, and that's a Rubicon with 33's. 35's you'd only get 1" more clearance.

 

Pretty slick vehicle, just that breakover angle could limit some offroading.

 

Ya but imagine if you had crawl control. You wouldn't need all that. Just turn a knob.

 

Electronic gizmos and gadgets are not my thing

 

I'm not serious. See previous posts.

CJ's kick ass, here's my old 79



My Rubicon



My XJ (still have this one)

 

Awesome !!!!!!

 

This video is a joke.

 

I hope the Gladiator lights a fire under Toyota R&D.

 

If I was building a offroad vehicle and had a 50,000 budget. I wouldn't start with a unreliable POS jeep.

 

Jeep needs to build a modern version of a 1947 CJ2A Flat fender !!!!

 

YES. YES. YES!

That or the 42 Willy's MB

 

I hope their diesel lights a fire under Ford to make a diesel ranger then in 10 years Toyota will make a diesel tacoma and I'll consider trading in my truck. Toyota moves so slow.

 

Agreed. Crawl control is really just a cruise control for ATRAC. ATRAC simply actuating brakes on each side to simulate a locker on the front. A 4:1 transfer case and 4lo with a front locker will accomplish the same thing. Ultimately I know its fruitless to argue this point here though.

I like both the Wrangler and the Tacoma, throwing any Toyota bias aside Im confident that the driver is the biggest variable in these situations. Aside from that the Jeep is a better vehicle for off roading and the Tacoma for daily livability.