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Legal vs Illegal Off-roading Question

Discussion in 'Off-Roading & Trails' started by ZannarTacoma, Feb 18, 2014.

  1. Feb 18, 2014 at 4:26 AM
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    ZannarTacoma

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    So I live in California. Let's say I'm driving on a highway going through a desert. If I turned off the highway and just started exploring the desert in my truck is this considered legal or illegal?

    I always see people posting pictures of their truck with an incredible backdrop up in the mountains or somthing. Just check the off roading pics thread. Are those all just trails?

    I guessy real question boils down to where can and where can't you off-road?
     
  2. Feb 18, 2014 at 4:30 AM
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    Grab an atlas or get on google maps: anywhere green is National or State Forest
    You can legally go out into either (have to pay for State, most of the time) and explore and take sweet pictures of your truck
    I'm blessed enough to live in Idaho, where almost literally 60% of the State is National Forest... millions and millions of acres I can legally bomb around on
     
  3. Feb 18, 2014 at 4:34 AM
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  4. Feb 18, 2014 at 4:37 AM
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    Yes, I'm sorry... I shouldn't have stated it that way
    Don't bomb around... explore and do so respectfully; so others can too
     
  5. Feb 18, 2014 at 4:58 PM
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    Starting I wish I lived in Idaho lol. I live pretty far from the "green" in California. So what is everything that is not green is considered just public? And I assume it is all off-roading in the "grey" area is not allowed
     
  6. Feb 18, 2014 at 7:22 PM
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    Even if you are on public land you must stay on established trails. You are never allowed to blaze your own trails and rut up the landscape. It are things like that which gets public parcels closed to vehicles.

    EDIT: Some places (like sand dunes open for off-highway vehicles) allow you to drive wherever. However, unless if it is explicitly stated, you must stay on existing trails.
     
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  7. Feb 19, 2014 at 11:14 PM
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    Non-Green = private, city, or state land
    Yes, as far as I know: you would need permission to go "off-roading" in them
     
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  8. Feb 20, 2014 at 6:55 AM
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    STAY ON THE DAMN ROADS.

    Off-road driving is really OFF-HIGHWAY driving. Guys going off the dirt road, and onto meadows, and through the trees, are the main reasons that roads get closed permanently by the Forest Service.

    This is what is happening in Central California. Several of my favorite trails are now closed, along with dozens of others, due to thoughtless morons who think they can do anything they want because they drive a 'bad-ass' 4x4. You should treat public lands like it is your own private property.

    Having a capable 4x4 allows me take on the challenge of driving over bad, un-maintained roads that I would not normally be able to negotiate. The Rubicon Trail is an example of that. It is an actual road, but extremely challenging in many places. A real blast. Its still open, but its days might be numbered. :(

    OK, that's off my chest.
     
  10. Feb 23, 2014 at 9:47 AM
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    Actually, Travel Management Plans are not entirely the result of careless/reckless wheeling. They are the result of environmentalists who lobby hard to get rid of the activities they don't like. Offroading is one of those activities.

    Travel Management is being implemented in all National Forests and what sucks is that roads closed under the plan are not marked in any way. Users have the responsibility of visiting the ranger station to identify closed areas.
     
  11. Feb 23, 2014 at 5:29 PM
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    Agreed ... and well said. Additionally the extreme environmentalists use photos of trail damage and strewn garbage as additional ammunition.
     
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    ^^ That x 1000 ^^

    I can't tell you the number of times I've seen IDIOTS with all sorts of motorized vehicles tearing up the landscape. Pisses me off every time I see it and they, the IDIOTS, seem to think its OK.
     
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    It varies from state to state, since you're in CA. (like me) you should def. educate yourself as to where you can/cannot, our state is probably the strictest regulations wise, good rule of thumb is (besides staying on existing trails) Any property/open spaces not marked/posted could probably be driven on as long as theres existing trail/road thats seen traffic,, If open spaces not marked or posted BUT DO NOT have evidence of vehicular traffic should be treated as a closed area, & obliviously if in state parks its going to be layed out pretty well as to vehicle access whether or not you can or can't be there
     
  14. Feb 24, 2014 at 12:53 AM
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    There are so many forest service roads especially in NF boundaries that there would be no reason to go off trail (even in the desert). These service roads are often unmarked and unkept but still are official roads (dirt, sometimes 4wd only). Buy a national forest map of the area you are going to explore and you will have so much fun! Or better yet, buy a book off amazon.com. They make it easy to plan out a trip- show you things to see (i.e. mines, graves, lakes, trailheads), where to camp and how to get there. Plenty of places to take pics of your truck in front of beautiful mountains. And as stated above, TREAD LIGHTLY!
     
  15. Feb 24, 2014 at 6:34 AM
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    California has Federal and State owned land and it can be confusing for "off roading". OHV, Off Highway Vehicle, is the proper term. Here is what I consider the best OHV maps for California. http://www.ctuc.info/ctuc/index.php/maps In National Forests, Federal Government Land, you will need an Adventure Pass, most SVRA's, State owned land, have admission fees.
     
  16. Feb 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to have an adventure pass Only if you park your vehicle and get out/leave it there to go hiking.
     
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    You are correct...
     
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    Wait wtf you have to pay to go hiking? I could see if you wanted to use your vehicle you would need to pay insurance or fees but for hiking you have to pay?
     
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    In California, almost all the state parks have some sort of entrance fee. Many people avoid paying the fee by walking into the parks. Then they complain because the parks have no money to put TP in the bathrooms :eek:
     
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