Magnuson Supercharger

meh, we will have to compare dynos but if they are saying an extra 100 hp then they should be running around 7-8 psi of boost and thats right in the wheelhouse of a roots SC.

the Roots will provide more linear power which is what most want. Turbos depending on the setup can do that but at the extra cost parts of that type of set up make me weary.

Your turbo kit wont be 6500 dollars. i would double that cost. (not sure you are getting an efficient hp/$$ ratio)

 

Nope. Definitely won't be double. Per OVT, will likely be similarly priced to the SC kits but I can't say with any certainty since I am not involved in producing the kit. The twin BorgWarner K03 Turbochargers are actually cheaper than one Rotrex supercharger.

Agreed. the roots is a more simpler system with less parts. But the added HP/TQ gains of the TT kit compared to the roots SC kit will offset the of potential headaches of additional parts and installation.

 

Wow. More bullshit disinformation just on these two pages than any other page on this entire forum. I wonder, just how many of you guys have ever retro-fitted a supercharger or turbo setup on anything? If you haven't you need to go on and get back on the porch and just watch and listen. First, right out of the box...did the Toyota engineers have the forethought and vision to equip the taco's engine block with enough excess crankshaft support to deal with the destructive loads it surely will see under WOT, considering all of the boost scenarios described above? Probably not. This ain't an LS or LT block. It is a block that was, at best, built by committee, with an eye to price point. At best it will require a girdle, as yet undeveloped. We also know that Toyota never intended for the Taco to really go off-road, don't we? Shouldn't it follow that we could also deduce from this that they didn't have the vision or intent to service factor the block for off-road duty or boosted service? Add in to the calculus that we suffer through the TCM's excessive shift programming. Then factor in that Magnason-type superchargers are known for their brutally instant production of torque that has been widely described as a hammer-effect of instant torque, ESPECIALLY down low at tip-off. No way to mitigate it. It is either hammering on, or off. Couple the two together and what you have is an already terrible driving experience that has been put on SC steroids as the TCM orders a two-gear downshift with attendant instant higher rpm, and in response the SC hammers in instant and brutal excessive torque to match that rpm increase. Oh, you gonna' love that. The drivetrain is gonna' love it too. And only 100hp for about $10K? OH YEAH! Have you ever seen a SC or turbo install that didn't necessarily require another $2-4K in ancillary parts to make it work right and last? At the very least, requires upgrading the fuel pump, (Lucky if it is just a fuel pump, if not controller, and then maybe even have to add a boost-a-pump bandaid over that to keep up with fuel pressure demand. Otherwise you are going to run it lean. You're talking $1500 at least to do the fuel right the first time.) Then, how you gonna monitor everything? With $1,000-$1,200 in gauging: A/F ratio, boost, fuel pressure just to name the basics. So, conservatively, $10K for 100hp. Madness. You can buy a UTV for that, trailer it with the Taco and when you get there, have a whole lot more fun.

When, what month was this tested, and what were the ambient air temps when this was tested? What was the air temp post supercharger? 110, 145, or 195? Was it tested in everyday driving, say, in southern Florida in the summer? Or Arizona? Or SoCal stop-and-go freeway driving? Or in Houston's 3-season heat? Any larger intercooler options for these locales and others that will see massive heat soak? Using the larger intercoolers, how much timing had to be pulled in the heat to prevent detonation, and what was the hp with that much timing pulled? $, and more $. Ultimately, will we need to include an alcohol system to make this work? The problem is not with the supercharger, but with our truck design, and how and where we use them.

Yeah, you can force-induct it, but remember, the candle that burns the brightest also burns the shortest. Guys, you can get a base Mustang GT with a Roush supercharger on it WITH A FACTORY WARRANTY, WITH A COYOTE BLOCK for less than $40K. 700hp. Now that's a real SC setup. WITH a FORD FACTORY warranty. So to contrast these two choices: As a Soviet super-heavyweight Olympic weightlifter once replied to the press when asked about a Turkish lightweight weightlifter who was lifting, pound for bodyweight pound, MORE than the superheavyweight, the big guy replied, "Who wants to watch little men lift little weights." About the second or third time you get your ass stomped leaving a red light by a grey-headed old fucker like me you are going to wish you had heeded the advice above. Ask me how I know...


Insert mic-drop here.

 

its almost like someone didnt read that Magnuson offers a 3year/36k warranty with the purchase of their kit.

 

Aren't our engines fairly over built. ie a forged crank?

 

Thats what they say and OVT stated that the trans handled 450 hp fine on the dyno. (not much of an endorsement for DD but its a good start)

i dont plan to be the first inline to get the kit i would rather wait a year and let others test it out.

 

That just sounds like an untested hypothesis to me...

 

Does ANY COMPANY'S warranty wording include coverage for legal expenses incurred in making them honor that warranty, to also include summary judgement and a directed verdict? No, nobody's does. Does it say that if you blow a hole the size of a crank or piston anywhere in your motor that they will replace you motor, unconditionally, without charge to you for labor and new Toyota parts? I'm fairly sure it doesn't say that, but it does say something to the effect that if their product fails, yada yada yada, and we know that their product is not going to fail. They build among the finest superchargers in the world. So it is not their product that is going to fail. It's what it is attached to that is going to fail.

 

U know Toyota builds a TT variant of the 2gr right? Read through the OVtune thread. All your "points" are laid out.

 

Definitely!

 

Only on TW would a vender offering a 3 year warranty be belittled.

 

how many tundras have had issues with magnuson? and of those with issues how many were denied warranty claim? unless you're talking out your ass you must have some basis for this distrust of the company.

 

I have no distrust of any company. Well, except Spectrum. And Dish. And HughesNet. And AT&T. And Verizon. Fuck, you're right. I don't trust any sons-a-bitches'. What I have is fifty years of learn-it-the-hard-way performance knowledge, engine building know how and in-car racing experience. Which qualifies me to evaluate this with more perspective and wisdom that most of the "all-in" participants of this thread. More than anything, I know from experience how to spend a shitload of money with blind enthusiasm, money that I really didn't have, or that I should have paid down my mortgage with, or saved for retirement, and later regret it deeply. All it takes is once and you learn quickly. Only trying to get some of you to better consider your choices, fully spreadsheet the costs of forced induction against the returns and chart the unseen but inevitable landmines these projects always produce. It's not the bolt-on that's going to break. It's the bolt-on-to. Speed and hp costs. Hand-grenading your daily driver will cost even more.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/3-4l-supercharger.629337/page-29

 

As annoying as the guy is he has a point. The warranty has a huge list of exclusions with such stupid shit as “road conditions”.

http://www.magnusonsuperchargers.com/v/vspfiles/downloadables/warranty/MAGNUSON PRODUCTS LLC LIMITED POWERTRAIN WARRANTY STANDARD 20170605.pdf

 

I rest my case.

Seriously though, the way I read the warranty, if abuse doesn’t cause a failure, your covered. Pretty standard.

 

I called your mom. She says she’s sorry.

 

LOL

 

That IS funny, but you didn't find my mom. Orphaned at birth. I bet you are right though: She is sorry. If I could find her I'd tell her that there is no reason to be sorry, that she did the right thing. She set my path to a wonderful, blessed life.

Now, back to the fray...

 

Pretty much every modern engine has a stout block and crank due to nvh standards. Show me a modern block failing under low boost (not a rod windowing it either). I'm sure a rod or piston will give way long before the block or crank.

And the blown mustangs power train isn't covered by Ford's warranty. It's covered by rousch. Just like other aftermarket supercharger.