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Modified gooseneck & 19' Scamp

Discussion in 'Towing' started by huachuca, Jun 6, 2012.

  1. Jun 6, 2012 at 6:47 PM
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    huachuca

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    New to the group but have already picked up lots of good info - thanks to all.

    Hope a few pics of my camping setup might be of interest since the prevailing thought seems to be you can't/shouldn't consider any sort of fifth wheel or gooseneck a second gen Tacoma.

    We've put well over 10K miles with this combo in the past year - NC to Big Bend NP in Texas, to St Aug and the Fl Keys and across NC from the Outer Banks to boondocking trips to Nantahala NF and the Smokies.

    Most of the materials were scraps from around the shop. The uprights are from 1/4" plate and bolt to the 3/8" x 6" x 60" flatstock which has holes drilled to match up with the stock bed bolts. The cross member is 3" x 3/8" channel with a 2" ball. Washers were used to shim the gap between the flatstock and the composite bed. Brake assist comes from a Prodigy controller.

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    Hatteras to Ocracoke ferry on the NC Outer Banks
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    Weight is well within spec - the Scamp grosses 3200 or so with about 400 lbs on the gooseneck. The Honda EU3000 genset (160 lbs) fits nicely in front of the hitch cross member which is a couple of inches behind the axle to provide sufficient cab to camper clearance in a 90 degree turn but that has not been a problem.

    The 05 which served faithfully for 200K+ was recently replaced with a 2012 Pyrite Mica TRD and it took about 30 minutes to swap the hitch and brake controller.
     
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  2. Aug 21, 2012 at 5:50 PM
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    That is awesome. You need to post this in "show what you tow" section. Congrats on the gooseneck. Very jealous.
     
  3. Aug 28, 2013 at 4:50 AM
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    huachuca,

    Now that you've had that Scamp 19 for awhile...any reviews? I'm looking at some camper options that I can realistically tow with my long bed double cab (w/ tow option). Do you have the standard or deluxe trim? Can 2 adults and 3 kids realistically sleep in that things in your opinion?
     
  4. Aug 28, 2013 at 7:47 AM
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    We've had Scamps for about ten years now; first a 16' side bath standard model and now the 19' deluxe fiver. Before that, we were tent campers and backpackers so I don't really have experience with other camper models. However, I do have friends who have or had various models from Class A's to popups and I wouldn't trade either of the Scamps for any of them IF I had to use them as campers.

    I think the double cab Tacoma is a great choice for the Scamp fifth wheel. We put 200,000+ miles on the 05 Tacoma with twenty percent of more towing and had zero problems. The 2012 that replaced it is just as good.

    As to sleeping two adults and three kids, the adults will be fine in the loft bed. The current Scamp website shows only front bath models in the 19'er but I've seen older units with a side bath and a bunk/couch in the front below the loft. With the rear dinette/bed sleeping two and another on the front bunk, I don't see why this wouldn't work. If you're thinking of buying new, Scamp has a reputation of working with the customer to modify as necessary - give em a call.

    If you have questions, I'll be glad to offer my thoughts.


    Al
     
  5. Aug 29, 2013 at 3:39 AM
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    Thanks so much for the info. Definitely something I'll look at once I get back to the mainland.
     
  6. Jan 15, 2016 at 7:28 PM
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    Do you have anymore pictures of your setup? I'd like to see some pictures from the side.
     
  7. Jan 28, 2016 at 12:18 PM
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    This post is 4 years old and the poster hasn't been on since last year. Good chance he's not going to respond.
     
  8. Feb 19, 2016 at 10:16 AM
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    Sorry to be so late in responding Joe, as Indy noted, I'm not on here very often. I'll have the camper out for Spring cleaning before the end of the month and will post some side view shots then. We're still well satisfied with the camper/truck combo and hope to be heading up your way some time this summer as my niece and her husband just moved to Oshkosh. I may be calling on you for camping suggestions if you don't mind.

    Al
     
  9. Apr 28, 2016 at 9:47 PM
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    Sorry, I know this is an old post, but I'm curious how the automatic transmission handles the pull. I currently have a 2008 Tacoma 4X4 DC 4.0 pulling a 1977 Trillium 4500 which is 2000lbs and would really like a Scamp 5er. I can build the hitch, but don't want to butcher my bed and find out it's not an ideal combination. I find my transmission searches a lot when driving between 60 and 80 mph. Would a manual gearbox be better I wonder.

    If you could post more pics, that would be great. Thanks
     
  10. Apr 29, 2016 at 7:25 AM
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    Hi Doug,

    I like manuals myself and have a Jeep TJ and Pontiac Solstice so equipped but prefer automatics for towing if the engine has sufficient power and the drive train can handle the additional strain.

    The Tacoma automatic does just fine, even in the mountains. Never had a problem with it in the 05 and the 2012 has been flawless as well. I don't use cruise control when towing but that's the only thing I change. It will shift in and out of overdrive in hill country and maybe down to third when climbing steeper climbs(8%+ grades) but that hasn't been a problem and I drop back to Drive if necessary. I doubt you'd see any significant changes in towing behavior from your Trillium (nice trailer by the way). In fact, the fiver tows much better than the 16' Scamp we had previously - no sway at all and much easier to back into tight sites.

    You shouldn't need to butcher anything when fabbing the hitch. I built mine to use the six stock bed bolts - no additional holes or mounting points required. I can take it out in less than fifteen minutes and you'd never know it had been there.

    A few things you should be aware of of with the Scamp 19 - The older models (pre-05??, ours is an 01) had 13" tires/rims which are totally inadequate. I moved up to 14" and had to trim the fiberglass on the curb side wheel well a bit. I'll probably add a 1" block between the frame and the axle pads when I replace the axle so I can run 15". If you're over 6', the front bath floor plan provides sufficient head room in the shower. Our 16' had the standard trim; the 19' has the deluxe which we prefer. Gas mileage leaves a lot to be desired - 12-13 when running the speed limit +5 but that's about what we got towing the 16'.

    Let me know what pictures you'd like to see and I'll try to get them posted. The one below was taken last week before a trip to Nantahala National Forest with my college room mate and his wife. As you can see, the Tacoma was way overloaded as I was carrying all the gear for both couples but we made it without incident.
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    image.jpg [​IMG][/URL][/IMG] Thanks for the reply. I didn't realize you used the factory bed bolts. Nice. Other posters talked of drilling holes in the bed to attach right to the frame, but now I see how you did yours, this is the path I would take. When I said butcher, I meant cutting holes as once there cut, there's no going back.

    The more I look at trailers and tow vehicles, I realize the Scamp 5er with the tall fridge freezer and stove oven best fit our needs. My kids grew like weeds and I don't think the upper bunk will hold them.

    I'm hoping this combination is ideal for a cross country trip, Toronto to LA and back.
     
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  12. Apr 30, 2016 at 5:54 AM
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    Take a look at how the bed mounting brackets are attached to the frame if you have any concerns about the sturdiness of this solution. I didn't want any additional holes either; the bed gets scuffed enough with just normal hauling.

    I wish ours had the larger fridge as we seldom camp with hookups (we've got the 4.6 cu ft). We tend to cook outside and use an old Coleman collapsible oven for any baking needs. The Scamp stove has only been used a couple of times but I'm glad its there.

    You may already be aware of this but there's a molded fiberglass gathering in Grafton in a few weeks. If you've never attended one, these events are great for anyone wanting to see a variety of molded fiberglass trailers and chat with their owners. As a Trillium owner, I'm sure you know how friendly egg owners are.
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1BTUYQ8ZYCKC5B1qanQDUbVG9p3o

    We haven't travelled with kids yet as we bought the first Scamp fifteen years ago when our daughter went off to college but I'd think it would work well. Sure hope so as we're planning some summer trips with our two year old grand daughter.


    Al
     
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