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Mudders v All Terrain

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by WillyTtaco, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. Jul 11, 2019 at 1:05 AM
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    WillyTtaco

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    I have 33” BFG All Terrains that are about 70% so I’m starting to think about tires down the road a bit. I had 32” Mudders on a 99’ Tacoma in High school but now I’m more serious and I’m wondering what’s best.

    I knowwww it depends on how often I’m off road...but I’m talking about LOOKS.

    Show me some good looking 2nd gen with mudders or convince me not to get them. IE gas mileage..noise..discomfort on the pavement.

    I’m off road once a month and drive back and forth through LA pavement 10 miles/day with occasional long road trip so the pup can come along way on trips.

    Pic cuz pics are fun. (Most recent with my newly appointed roof rack, other pic Joshua Tree a month ago)

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  2. Jul 11, 2019 at 1:19 AM
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    I wouldn’t get M/T’s based on two reasons. The first being that they’re noisy on pavement for a daily driver. The second reason is that they’re typically more expensive, but have a shorter lifespan. Although mud terrains look sexy, the costs outweigh the benefits. Now, if you’re wanting to keep that aggressive tread, I’d look into the Nitto Ridge Grapplers. The have a M/T sidewall, but an A/T tread pattern. I run them in 35’s on my Jeep and I absolutely love them!

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  3. Jul 11, 2019 at 2:34 AM
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    Like was previously stated about the M/T tires there are some downsides for a DD unless you are down to deal with them. That being said there are some hybrids that are out there that do well.
    Goodyear Duratrac (I have these and beat the snot out of them), Nitto Ridge Grapplers, Cooper STT Maxx (really aggressive AT). All 3 of these I know do well off road and on road and get good mileage out of them. There is also the Milestar Patagonia M/T I know a few guys who have picked these up they are more on the M/T side but still are a tighter tread than your normal MT and seem to hold up better and not be as susceptible to the feathering and uneven treadwear as others do. They are a softer tread so they will wear out quicker but still get decent mileage out of them. @The Schwartz @singletrack_ftw
    Also the General Grabber x3 MT some of the overland guys (I think expedition overland) run these. I know someone with a dodge 2500 that runs them. He is religious about rotating them every 3-5k and is getting excellent wear pattern from them and they aren't that noisy. But are more noisy than a true AT. He has gotten some decent mileage out of them as the heavy trucks tend to wear tires out quicker than something lighter.

    With all of that even with the more aggressive AT or a MT tire maintenance will be key in getting max life and best tread wear out of your tires. I suggested tires that I either have ran or seen and know people running and can give an assessment based on what I have seen from theirs. There are a lot of other good ones on the market too but I don't have first hand knowledge of how they do or have ran them so don't want to speak to them.
     
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  4. Jul 11, 2019 at 6:02 AM
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    How are they in rain/snow? I had a set of Nitto winter tires on my mini van before I picked up my taco and I absolutely loved them!
     
  5. Jul 11, 2019 at 6:11 AM
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    I like the Cooper ST Maxx......happy medium

    look good......3 ply sidewalls.....plenty meaty & aggressive

    highway humm is bearable

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  6. Jul 11, 2019 at 6:16 AM
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    If the mud tires also have decent siping they do a fair job on wet pavement or snow. Without siping they suck. Back in the day I had mud tires on a couple of vehicles. But I found the negatives far outweighed the very small advantage they offered in mud. Any tire is going to fill up with mud and become slick. Any tire spun fast enough will sling the mud out of the tread. In the real world there are very few places a decent all terrain tire won't take you that a mud tire will.
     
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  7. Jul 11, 2019 at 7:13 AM
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    ImMrCrash

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    A tire I’ve had really good luck with is Fierce Attitude M/T.

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    Originally bought 305/70r16 when it was possibly owned by Dunlop. Relatively quiet on highways (I could always have a normal conversation in cab), excellent grip in all conditions, and I sold them with 5/32 tread left after driving on them for 5 years and 47k miles.

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    I liked them so much I went to buy them again but they stopped making them in 305. Didn’t want to go to 285 so I made the modifications and jumped to 315/75r16, this time made by Goodyear (same exact tire design and everything, just bigger). Once again I am pleasantly surprised.

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    One major upside I’ve also found is I still get decent mileage. After calculating the correct mileage for this almost 35 inch tire I average almost 17mpg.

    A downside I’ve found is that the tires don’t come in much variety when it comes to load index and ply number. The 305 and 315 I’ve owned only come in load range E, which gives you a lot of load carrying strength but can cause a stiff ride and a reduced top speed.

    Cost is about $200-$250 a tire depending on size which is fairly high but after running a set for 5 years I happily bought the new tires without a second thought.
     
  8. Jul 11, 2019 at 9:48 AM
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    Milestars FTW. Quietest MT on the market I think & it cost me $760 for FIVE 35’s. They grip like crazy.

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  9. Jul 11, 2019 at 9:53 AM
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    If you actually care about MPG and noise and comfort and all those things then just stick with an AT. if you wheel and want grip then buy an MT. No AT swill outperorm an MT off road. IMO. And certain MT’s are WAY better mannered on road. Like the Milestars.
     
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    They’re great in the rain! Haven’t had any snow here in TN to really test them out, but I’m definitely switching to them when the Taco tires are due.
     
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    A friend of mine picked up the BFG KM3's and he likes it. Off-road's about the same as you. It's a bit noisier than the KO2's, but nothing I'd consider annoying.
    My KO2's are starting to wear down and I'm in the same boat of looking for new tires soon. Probably going to try run the KM3's. And they look good.
     
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    I went KM3's for a few reasons: They are the best looking (in my opinion), some siping which helps in the rain/snow, decently quiet for MT's, and lastly its not a full time commuter. I do drive it often on the weekends and haven't really been bothered by the noise. As far as longevity goes I am balancing and rotating every 5K miles.

    Side note: the t4r in the back has ko2's
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    Awesome! I've got Duratrax on now that came with the truck when I bought it and they are looking like they are getting close to wore out. At least enough to justify new ones for the winter.
     
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    Duratracs out preform the Ridge Grapplers in snow if you are concerned about that. A buddy of mine switched his almost new ridge grapplers out after we got a boat load of snow. He didn't like their performance in snow at all. I run duratracs and they are awesome in the snow. Wet weather they are ok, I've ran better.
     
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    So much great info ! Thanks. I’ve obviously got some research to do but I like the idea of the more aggressive AT. All the pics are awesome !!!
     
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    The same shit everyone else has.
    +1 on the Duratracs.

    They seem to be a nice middle point. They’re more aggressive than you’re average A/T but aren’t as knobby as a M/T. I’m currently on my 3rd set and have no complaints other than when they’re near the end of their life, they get loud.
     
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    I run duratracs on TRD fake beadlock wheels for everyday use and have Toyo M/Ts on 1st gen Taco wheels for when I want to go to the mud.
     
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    Between your reply and some other comments below it sounds like the Duratracs are actually pretty decent tires. I've heard some grumblings about them but never anything specific... I'll keep doing research and see what I come up with. If they really are that great, I may just re-up the duratracs once I need to.
     
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    I had experience with Duratracs but only for 12k miles. My one and only complaint about them was wet pavement traction. I felt they broke loose on acceleration a little too easy but that might be due to a little lead foot action. The only reason I had them for such a short time is I decided to upgrade size and tire type, other than that they were pretty good all around. I can say from experience that they were excellent on mountain trails, sand dunes, and snow powder roads.
     
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    I have duratracs and have been happy with them for the two years i've had them. They also seem to have not visibly worn at all yet. I had hankook atms, but regularly started going to a friends house to play pool, who lives a few miles up a mountain road that never sees sun. My old tires were treacherous going down that snowy/icy hill in the winter heading home. Both him and his wife both run duratracs on their tacomas, so I switched. It was night and day.
     
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