1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

My thoughts on "Expensive" wax

Discussion in 'Detailing' started by Sugar Silva, Jul 11, 2015.

  1. Jul 11, 2015 at 4:17 PM
    #1
    Sugar Silva

    Sugar Silva [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2014
    Member:
    #125848
    Messages:
    1,332
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Dave
    San Diego, CA
    Vehicle:
    15 TRD Sport 4x4 DCLB Stormtrooper
    Bilstein 6112/5160 17" Matte black TRD wheels KO2s Window tint all the way around Relentless Fab tailgate reinforcement Wet Okoles front and back TRD leather shift knob Various LED replacement lights Painted keyhole cover by key techniques Black Headlight Mod (BHLM) Entune screen protector OEM bed mat TRD exhaust RCI IFS skid
    First, a little background. I have been detailing my vehicles for years as a hobby. I take great pride in my cars or trucks looking new. For the first few years I used nothing other than carnuba waxes. Usually, Meguires gold though I've tried just about all the box store brands. I found that they all did a great job of protecting my finish though some certainly were easier to work with and lasted longer than others. A few years back a friend of mine turned me onto synthetic sealant for the first time. Since then I have tried in number of brands and in general they last a lot longer than carnuba.
    I buy most of my stuff through Autogeek.net. They carry quite a few products that are much higher end than what you can find at your local Autozone. A while back I decided to try Pinacle Signature Series II carnuba which at $60.00 a can is far more than I had ever spent on a wax in the past. I figured what the heck. Probably a colossal waste but I've always been curious.
    After trying it a few times I can honestly say that this is the easiest wax I've ever worked with. Buffs off with practically zero effort. Water beads as well as it should but, and there is a big but.... It only lasts 3-4 weeks now I know not to expect much more than that from a carnuba but honestly, the Meguires Gold lasts a couple weeks longer than this stuff.
    My verdict is this. I'll continue to apply a quality synthetic every 3 months or so and I'll still use a carnuba once or twice between because I love doing it. I just enjoy the hobby however, I will never spend a lot on a carnuba again. I mean, If this stuff were a few bucks more than Meguires I would get it just for the ease of use but at $60 we are big time into diminishing returns. All carnuba comes from the same type of tree so why pay a lot more for a different brand? Here's a video showing the truck after washing with Meguires Ultimate Wash N Wax, followed by the Pinacle wax and simple Armoral on the exterior plastics. You'll see the results after the time lapse. Enjoy and I welcome your opinions
    http://youtu.be/jdlOnNdXpdM
     
  2. Jul 11, 2015 at 11:21 PM
    #2
    AMarkham40

    AMarkham40 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2014
    Member:
    #141408
    Messages:
    399
    Gender:
    Male
    Roanoke, Virginia
    Vehicle:
    2014 MGM DCSB TRD O/R
    I agree with your post. A lot of these high dollar waxes are made of more expensive carnauba blends but it's never seemed worth it to me. You could put two identical vehicles next to each other, one with a $100 wax & another with a $10 wax & 95% of the people out there won't see any difference between the two.

    I also purchase most of my detailing products from Autogeek. I apply my sealant (Four Star Ultimate Paint Protection) every six months. I usually apply two coats of sealant & then top it with Collinite 845. After every wash I hit my truck with Optimum Car Wax which is a great wipe on/wipe off liquid wax with UV protection to keep my paint nice & slick. For my exterior plastics & rubber trim I've been very happy with Ultima Tire & Trim Guard which I apply every few months.
     
  3. Jul 15, 2015 at 10:54 PM
    #3
    NMTrailRider

    NMTrailRider Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2009
    Member:
    #23469
    Messages:
    5,156
    New Mexico
    I recently put a top coat of 845 over meguires #21 synthetic sealant 2.0. I was more than impressed with the sealant, but after the top coat of Collinite, the surface didn't feel as slick. I'm just curious- what is it that you like about the Collinite top coat? Honestly, I thought the shine was better before i top coated with Collinite. It also seemed easier to clean before Collinite.

    Second question... After six months and when it's time for re-application of sealer, do you strip it down to bare paint? Or do you just re-apply sealer hoping all the Collinite has weathered/washed off?
     
  4. Jul 16, 2015 at 6:51 AM
    #4
    ace96

    ace96 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Member:
    #42591
    Messages:
    3,100
    Gender:
    Male
    Western KY
    Vehicle:
    '11 SWB DC TRD SPORT
    AVS bug deflector, Weathertech digital fit floor mats, TRD skid plate w/ Sockmonkey decal, SOS Cocept sliders w/ Line-x, Pioneer 3500, Hybrid Audio Technology Mirus 6X9s & 6.5s, back up cam mod, Wet Okoles-front & rear, TRD exhaust, 17X9 XD Spy w/ Falken Wildpeaks, Avid light bar
    If it's time for sealant, then you do a strip wash. Sealant needs bare paint to adhere to.
     
  5. Jul 16, 2015 at 7:07 AM
    #5
    03FR500

    03FR500 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2015
    Member:
    #156432
    Messages:
    45
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    '05 DCSB TRD-OR
    3" lift, 17" rims, 285/70/17 tires
    Sealant should be the last thing you put on. Anything you put on after sealant negates the purpose of it. I use a lot of Meguiars Mirror Glaze line of products. I used to do a bunch of car shows with my Mustang and it's the best, cheap, line of products that I have used. Some of waxes and compounds in that product line can often be found at local stores.
     
  6. Jul 16, 2015 at 7:14 AM
    #6
    mercerc

    mercerc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2015
    Member:
    #157731
    Messages:
    251
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Carl
    Palmyra NY
    Vehicle:
    2011 D-CAB Black TRD Sport, JBL with Sat
    leveling kit, Cooper 255/80R17 tires on 4Runner rims, Leer cap, Ovtuned (not yet working), K&N filter, TRD catback, Riderite air bags
    I use Collinite and love it. A bottle cost $16 and is sold locally or on Amazon. I got the tip to use this from a buddy who works at a local BMW dealership, it is what the use (used at the time at least) on their cars.
     
  7. Jul 16, 2015 at 11:30 AM
    #7
    ace96

    ace96 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Member:
    #42591
    Messages:
    3,100
    Gender:
    Male
    Western KY
    Vehicle:
    '11 SWB DC TRD SPORT
    AVS bug deflector, Weathertech digital fit floor mats, TRD skid plate w/ Sockmonkey decal, SOS Cocept sliders w/ Line-x, Pioneer 3500, Hybrid Audio Technology Mirus 6X9s & 6.5s, back up cam mod, Wet Okoles-front & rear, TRD exhaust, 17X9 XD Spy w/ Falken Wildpeaks, Avid light bar
    Sealant goes on first so it will adhere to paint. If you put it on top of wax, what happens when the wax melts or wears off? No more sealant.

    When you top sealant with wax, it is still there once the wax is gone.
     
  8. Jul 16, 2015 at 12:21 PM
    #8
    spitdog

    spitdog Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2014
    Member:
    #137440
    Messages:
    3,055
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2015 Access Cab V6 4x4 SR5 MGM
    If I only use sealant and want to re seal it . Should I strip of the old sealant first or just apply more sealant.
     
  9. Jul 16, 2015 at 12:38 PM
    #9
    Sugar Silva

    Sugar Silva [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2014
    Member:
    #125848
    Messages:
    1,332
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Dave
    San Diego, CA
    Vehicle:
    15 TRD Sport 4x4 DCLB Stormtrooper
    Bilstein 6112/5160 17" Matte black TRD wheels KO2s Window tint all the way around Relentless Fab tailgate reinforcement Wet Okoles front and back TRD leather shift knob Various LED replacement lights Painted keyhole cover by key techniques Black Headlight Mod (BHLM) Entune screen protector OEM bed mat TRD exhaust RCI IFS skid
    If you want to be extremely anal then yes. Let's say you plan on applying a good sealant (synthetic wax) once every 4 months. Your time between can vary based on a lot of things. If you want to do everything pefectly, you would wash, clay bar, and then apply sealant.

    In my experience, this is total overkill for a daily driver. I consider myself to be very anal and I only clay bar about once a year or when the paint feels bumpy when I lightly rub my clean hand over a freshly washed vehicle.

    My point is, I hardly ever strip old sealant off. I wash just about every week. Apply sealant once every 3 months and even do a carnuba application or two between. I never have problems with this. Water always beads perfectly and my paint never fades. In fact, on my wife's car I only wash about once a month and apply sealant once every 4 months. Water still beads very well. I clay bar hers once every two years.

    To properly clay bar a truck you're looking at 2 - 3 hours of work if you're doing it alone. Longer if it has been neglected. My recommendation is, don't create more work for yourself than necessary. You don't want to burn out.

    Check out the video below. This is my wife's 2010 Mazda CX-7. I applied Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 exactly four months earlier. I only washed the car 2 or 3 times since and did not apply any other type of wax, sealant or quick wax since. The water still beads very well. After shooting the video I spent 7 1/2 hours detailing it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGMwWlXjh4U
     
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2015
    NMTrailRider likes this.
  10. Jul 16, 2015 at 1:57 PM
    #10
    03FR500

    03FR500 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2015
    Member:
    #156432
    Messages:
    45
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    '05 DCSB TRD-OR
    3" lift, 17" rims, 285/70/17 tires
    If you don't want to apply wax and only use sealant, or if you want to apply sealant, wax, then another coat of sealant, sure. I respectfully disagree with you though. The purpose of wax is to fill in the tiny imperfections in paint so that it appear as glossy as the day it was new. Wax also works as a protective coat on it's own. You are correct in that sealant is primarily a protective coat, but it is to be applied as a final coat, on top of wax. It protects the wax, which protects the paint. If you coat the car in sealant first, you prevent the wax from doing it's job, and probably end up removing some of the sealant in the process. I don't disagree with you in that sealant alone or as as the first layer on paint would protect it, but it should also or otherwise be the last layer after wax.
     
  11. Jul 16, 2015 at 2:06 PM
    #11
    TashcomerTexas

    TashcomerTexas Bwaaahh Stutututu vs Weeeeeeee

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2014
    Member:
    #127853
    Messages:
    10,108
    Vehicle:
    2003 TRD DC King Ranch Edition
    Lol last thing you put on? I don't think so
     
  12. Jul 16, 2015 at 2:07 PM
    #12
    JustinL

    JustinL Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Member:
    #50299
    Messages:
    3,745
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Justin
    Berlin, CT
    Vehicle:
    2009 TRD OffRoad DCSB Pyrite Mica
    2012 Conversion
    Learning a ton in this thread.
     
  13. Jul 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM
    #13
    Mush Mouse

    Mush Mouse Club Soda Not Seals

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Member:
    #35188
    Messages:
    4,756
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    mush
    where ever you want me to be
    Vehicle:
    2013 SR5
    its a Toyota truck and that's all the modifications needed
  14. Jul 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM
    #14
    TashcomerTexas

    TashcomerTexas Bwaaahh Stutututu vs Weeeeeeee

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2014
    Member:
    #127853
    Messages:
    10,108
    Vehicle:
    2003 TRD DC King Ranch Edition
    A proper full, professional detail should be in this order
    Wash
    Clay
    Polish/paint correction
    Sealant
    Wax

    A sealant seals the paint and waxes added after cure time are basically coats of protection.
     
    300AACTaco likes this.
  15. Jul 16, 2015 at 2:17 PM
    #15
    gottaToy

    gottaToy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2015
    Member:
    #152654
    Messages:
    1,375
    First Name:
    JJ
    movin' on up to the east side
    Vehicle:
    1985 Moped
    Rancho RS66903R7 @2.5", 2x4 block in rear. strait pipe, 37" super swampers
    You will learn NOTHING from THAT guy. His second response is even more wrong.
     
  16. Jul 16, 2015 at 2:20 PM
    #16
    Mush Mouse

    Mush Mouse Club Soda Not Seals

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Member:
    #35188
    Messages:
    4,756
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    mush
    where ever you want me to be
    Vehicle:
    2013 SR5
    its a Toyota truck and that's all the modifications needed
  17. Jul 16, 2015 at 2:24 PM
    #17
    300AACTaco

    300AACTaco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2014
    Member:
    #143378
    Messages:
    2,660
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Caleb
    Eagle River, Alaska
    Vehicle:
    Black '15 DCSB TRD Off Road 4x4
    ARB Old Man Emu 90000s and 60091s OME 886s, Trim Packer, Icon Tubular Uniball UCAs, CMC, Invisible Sway Bar, Dakar Rear Leaf Packs, Timbren Rear Bumpstops, All Pro U-bolt flip up kit, Method Race Wheels NV 16X8 4.5BS, Cooper ST Maxx LT285/75/16, DEPO Black Tail Lights, Weathertech Floormats, Cascadia Vehicle Tents Mt. Shasta in Earth Tone Green, Custom Green Tree Fabrication Bed Rack, N-Fab Spare Tire Bed Mount
    Sugar Silva [OP] likes this.
  18. Jul 16, 2015 at 2:24 PM
    #18
    03FR500

    03FR500 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2015
    Member:
    #156432
    Messages:
    45
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    '05 DCSB TRD-OR
    3" lift, 17" rims, 285/70/17 tires
    Do it either way, but in my opinion (and experience) your layer of wax will last longer if you top it with sealant. I've just never heard or read about putting sealant on before wax. But I've been out of the show car game for a while.
     
  19. Jul 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM
    #19
    300AACTaco

    300AACTaco Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2014
    Member:
    #143378
    Messages:
    2,660
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Caleb
    Eagle River, Alaska
    Vehicle:
    Black '15 DCSB TRD Off Road 4x4
    ARB Old Man Emu 90000s and 60091s OME 886s, Trim Packer, Icon Tubular Uniball UCAs, CMC, Invisible Sway Bar, Dakar Rear Leaf Packs, Timbren Rear Bumpstops, All Pro U-bolt flip up kit, Method Race Wheels NV 16X8 4.5BS, Cooper ST Maxx LT285/75/16, DEPO Black Tail Lights, Weathertech Floormats, Cascadia Vehicle Tents Mt. Shasta in Earth Tone Green, Custom Green Tree Fabrication Bed Rack, N-Fab Spare Tire Bed Mount
    Here's what I do:

    Wash
    Clay Bar
    Polish
    Sealant

    Then add wax after a few days, (after at least 24 hours) to allow the sealant to cure. I always thought sealant needed the paint to adhere, but... maybe i'm wrong. Because sealant is pretty much wax on steroids, I don't even bother applying wax for a while.

    Larry from AMMO NYC says to apply wax AFTER sealant so that's what I do. I think he kinda knows what he's doing ;)

     
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2015
  20. Jul 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM
    #20
    Mush Mouse

    Mush Mouse Club Soda Not Seals

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Member:
    #35188
    Messages:
    4,756
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    mush
    where ever you want me to be
    Vehicle:
    2013 SR5
    its a Toyota truck and that's all the modifications needed
    how about multiple layers of Sealant?[​IMG]
     
    300AACTaco likes this.

Products Discussed in

To Top