1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

Need advice about frame replacement

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Jimspur, Oct 17, 2020.

  1. Oct 17, 2020 at 9:49 AM
    #1
    Jimspur

    Jimspur [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Member:
    #344054
    Messages:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jim
    Vehicle:
    2009 Tacoma Reg Cab 4x4 2.7L 5 speed
    Hi All,
    New member here, just joined today. I have a 2009 Tacoma Reg Cab 4x4 2.7L 5 speed.
    I bought it new and it now has 267,500 miles on it. It's never had any major issues.
    It has original shocks, clutch, exhaust, water pump, fuel pump etc. Did have u-joints once.
    It has never leaked a drop of fluid and the body is in great shape. Motor and transmission run
    and shift like new. Just had new calipers, rotors, front pads, spark plugs and all fluids changed.
    Front and rear diff, transmission, transfer case all got Redline synthetic. Brake fluid and coolant replaced also which will be done again with frame swap. Local mechanic saw frame rust and said to take it to Toyota, which I did.
    My frame failed inspection and Toyota has agreed to replace frame. Frame should be at dealer in about 3 weeks. The mechanic doing the swap said my truck is one of the best he has seen with that amount of miles.
    I am able to purchase parts at the dealership with a 25% discount thanks to a friend who has an account with them. I want to keep my truck at stock height.
    I wanted to show you guys who have been through this before the list of parts I'm thinking of replacing and the labor costs associated with replacing them. I want to know if I'm missing anything that should be replaced and if I'm replacing something that will never go bad and wasting money. I also want to know if I'm crazy putting this money into an old truck!
    Stuff to be purchased from Summit Racing: Aisin clutch kit CKT-065
    Bilstein B6 4600 shocks
    KYB SM5640 strut mounts
    These 3 are $565.00 Parts to be purchased from dealership: Flywheel bolts, clutch slave cylinder, transmission mount, fuel pump, rubber brake lines front and rear, front and rear main seals, water pump,
    thermostat, water by-pass pipe no.1, serpentine belt, pcv valve. These dealership parts cost me $1025.00 with 25% off. Gaskets for each part are included in this price.
    I will also get flywheel resurfaced locally. Spoke to owner and he said he could do it in 2 hours. Didn't discuss price, probably $50-$75.
    All these parts add up to about $1650.00.
    Labor cost is $140/hr Labor charges are as follows:
    Install clutch kit 4 hrs - $560
    Replace clutch slave cylinder .6 hr - $84
    Replace fuel pump .5 hr - $70 dollars
    Replace 4 rubber brake hoses .5 hr $70 dollars
    Replace front and rear main seals 1.2 hrs - $168 dollars
    Replace water pump and thermostat .7 hr - $98
    Remove my coilover springs and put on new shocks 1 hr - $140
    Everything else he said he wouldn't charge me for.
    These add up to $1190 - however service advisor said he told her $1318 total.
    Using his figure of $1318 + $1650 = $2968 We'll just say $3,000.
    What do you guys think? Thanks, Jim
     
  2. Oct 17, 2020 at 12:12 PM
    #2
    gotoman1969

    gotoman1969 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2018
    Member:
    #254966
    Messages:
    3,415
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Steve
    San Antonio, TX United States
    Vehicle:
    2015 Silver Tacoma PreRunner
    3" ToyTec coilovers, JBA UCA's, Bilstein 5100's
    Looks good to me. The only thing I’d question is the clutch labor time with the engine and trains out of the truck during the swap it will literally take maybe 30 minutes to swap the the clutch parts. Imo if they swap the clutch for zero labor I’d purchase a new flywheel.
     
    Muddinfun likes this.
  3. Oct 17, 2020 at 12:22 PM
    #3
    Muddinfun

    Muddinfun Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2017
    Member:
    #216500
    Messages:
    7,062
    That was my thought too. Everything looks good except the clutch labor. 30 minutes is probably a bit short, but it certainly shouldn’t take more than about 1 1/4 hours.
     
    gotoman1969 likes this.
  4. Oct 17, 2020 at 4:38 PM
    #4
    Jimspur

    Jimspur [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Member:
    #344054
    Messages:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jim
    Vehicle:
    2009 Tacoma Reg Cab 4x4 2.7L 5 speed
    That clutch labor stood out to me also. I know he has to break apart the engine and transmission, remove flywheel, install pilot bearing, install clutch release bearing, install clutch and pressure plate, reinstall flywheel, and bolt transmission back to engine. This should only be 1 1/4 hrs?
    That seems low to me, but if you guys say no more than 1 1/4 hrs I will discuss it with him on Monday.
    Thank You, Jim
     
    gotoman1969 likes this.
  5. Oct 17, 2020 at 4:43 PM
    #5
    gotoman1969

    gotoman1969 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2018
    Member:
    #254966
    Messages:
    3,415
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Steve
    San Antonio, TX United States
    Vehicle:
    2015 Silver Tacoma PreRunner
    3" ToyTec coilovers, JBA UCA's, Bilstein 5100's
    Hey op. One thing I’d ask the dealer is once the rolling chassis is complete would be to let you inspect it and make sure everything looks good. It’s much easier to replace anything at this point that may have been missed before the body is placed back on the chassis.
     
  6. Oct 17, 2020 at 5:01 PM
    #6
    Jimspur

    Jimspur [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Member:
    #344054
    Messages:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jim
    Vehicle:
    2009 Tacoma Reg Cab 4x4 2.7L 5 speed
    He told me he was going to inspect everything. Upper control arms and upper ball joints, tie rod ends, stabilizer bar bushings, steering rack bushings, body and chassis bushings etc.

    He said he would let me know if anything else needs to be replaced.
    I'm trying to replace anything that could leave me stranded if I'm on an out of state trip.
    I was just questioning myself if I'm crazy putting all this money into an old truck.

    New truck prices make me think it's worth putting the money into.
    Thanks for your advice, Jim
     
  7. Oct 17, 2020 at 5:05 PM
    #7
    gotoman1969

    gotoman1969 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2018
    Member:
    #254966
    Messages:
    3,415
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Steve
    San Antonio, TX United States
    Vehicle:
    2015 Silver Tacoma PreRunner
    3" ToyTec coilovers, JBA UCA's, Bilstein 5100's
    Completely worth it. Even if you put 5k in extra parts your ahead. That truck is good for 400k. If you throw 5k at it and get 10 more years out of it it cost you $500 bucks a year for those parts. That’s much cheaper than $500 month for the next 5.
     
  8. Oct 17, 2020 at 5:07 PM
    #8
    Jimspur

    Jimspur [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Member:
    #344054
    Messages:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jim
    Vehicle:
    2009 Tacoma Reg Cab 4x4 2.7L 5 speed
    That's what I'm thinking too. Thanks for replying goto!
     
  9. Oct 17, 2020 at 5:11 PM
    #9
    gotoman1969

    gotoman1969 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2018
    Member:
    #254966
    Messages:
    3,415
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Steve
    San Antonio, TX United States
    Vehicle:
    2015 Silver Tacoma PreRunner
    3" ToyTec coilovers, JBA UCA's, Bilstein 5100's
    :thumbsup:
     
  10. Oct 17, 2020 at 5:15 PM
    #10
    Jimspur

    Jimspur [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Member:
    #344054
    Messages:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jim
    Vehicle:
    2009 Tacoma Reg Cab 4x4 2.7L 5 speed
    Thanks for replying about the clutch labor Muddinfun.
     
    Muddinfun likes this.
  11. Oct 17, 2020 at 5:30 PM
    #11
    Sharpish

    Sharpish Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2016
    Member:
    #173981
    Messages:
    2,248
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Brian
    Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2012 Tacoma TRD OR 4x4
    Those are rare little trucks. The regular cab 2.7 5 speed 4x4 is very very desirable. If I had one I would never, ever sell it.
     
  12. Oct 17, 2020 at 5:52 PM
    #12
    Jimspur

    Jimspur [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Member:
    #344054
    Messages:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jim
    Vehicle:
    2009 Tacoma Reg Cab 4x4 2.7L 5 speed
    Thank you Brian! I don't want to sell it either! I've always loved that truck and it has never left me stranded!
     
  13. Oct 17, 2020 at 6:11 PM
    #13
    Muddinfun

    Muddinfun Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2017
    Member:
    #216500
    Messages:
    7,062
    10 minutes to zip out the bellhousing bolts and slide off the transmission. 5 minutes to pull the pressure plate, disk, and flywheel. 5 minutes to pull the pilot bushing. Includes time to get the puller and put it back. Now you’re up to the rear main seal. That’s a separate labor item. Now it’s on hold till the flywheel gets back from machining. Once the flywheel is back, 25 minutes to clean, prep and install the clutch parts and torque bolts. 15 minutes to stab the trans and tighten bellhousing bolts. That leaves 15 minutes for a smoke break.
     
    That one old guy likes this.
  14. Oct 17, 2020 at 6:22 PM
    #14
    Jimspur

    Jimspur [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Member:
    #344054
    Messages:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jim
    Vehicle:
    2009 Tacoma Reg Cab 4x4 2.7L 5 speed
    Thanks Muddin, I'll talk to the mechanic this week about it.
     
    Muddinfun likes this.
  15. Oct 17, 2020 at 6:46 PM
    #15
    That one old guy

    That one old guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2019
    Member:
    #286340
    Messages:
    660
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Chuck
    Vehicle:
    08 Base 4x4 2.7 Access 5spd
    Stockish
    Just had my '08 done in March. I was gonna do the clutch, but realistically it didn't need it. I agree they're high on the clutch @ 4hrs. That's probably the flat-rate with remove & install from vehicle included. Question it. I supplied UCAs & front struts. I did rr shocks myself 6mo before. Your doing good by having things done while it's in for the frame job.
    Mine was a painless experience, truck drives as new, and I paid -0-.
    Let us know how it goes. :thumbsup:
     
  16. Oct 17, 2020 at 6:54 PM
    #16
    Jimspur

    Jimspur [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Member:
    #344054
    Messages:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jim
    Vehicle:
    2009 Tacoma Reg Cab 4x4 2.7L 5 speed
    Thanks Chuck - I definitely will post back once it's done.
     
  17. Oct 18, 2020 at 6:35 AM
    #17
    arehman11

    arehman11 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2019
    Member:
    #312957
    Messages:
    11
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2009 Tacoma DCSB TRD Off Road
    My frame was done prior to my purchase of the truck by a few months, but the previous owner had a new steering rack put in during the frame replacement.
     
  18. Oct 18, 2020 at 8:44 AM
    #18
    Jimspur

    Jimspur [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Member:
    #344054
    Messages:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jim
    Vehicle:
    2009 Tacoma Reg Cab 4x4 2.7L 5 speed
    Thanks arehman, I thought about the steering rack but don't know how long they usually last.
     
  19. Oct 18, 2020 at 9:36 AM
    #19
    gearcruncher

    gearcruncher Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2012
    Member:
    #90305
    Messages:
    5,423
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Canadain bumper technician
    Great white North 51.0333° N, 93.8333° W
    Vehicle:
    2010.TRD.SportDCLB4x4Limited leather package
    TRD Sport Rally -5 speed automatic Limited ,Factory heated leather seats ,chrome package,Super white with front windows tinted to 35 % Dick Cepek DC-2 wheels Summer tires - Good year silent armor P265/65R17 Winter tires - Good year P265/65R17 Ultra Ice studded Illuminated 4x4 switch TRD 3rd brake light cover ($20) TRD seat belt shoulder protectors (5). ($50) TRD ...B pillar emblems ($20) TRD rear slider sticker with devil horns ( $6) TRD summer floor matts ($60) TRD steering wheel emblem ($20) TRD floor pedals .($95) TRD shorty antenna ($14) TRD front Windshield emblems ($17) TRD head pillows .($60) TRD head rest protectors TRD door scuff protection $20 TRD floor matt emblems ($40) TRD tow plug emblem . ($40) TRD cigarette lighter with LED.($35) TRD tissue dispenser ($12) TRD front bezel emblems ($9) TRD door emblems ($6) TRD lanyards($9) TRD lisence plates with TRD bolts($50) TRD fender emblems TRD center caps Part Number:PT904-35070-CC ($80) TRD cd
    Transmission mounts as well as engine mounts will only need to be replaced if they are broken .
    Its strange some of you guys are getting your frames replaced .
    The frame on my 2010 is horrible . I took it in and they said it was fine


     
    Spraynard likes this.
  20. Oct 18, 2020 at 9:53 AM
    #20
    Jimspur

    Jimspur [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2020
    Member:
    #344054
    Messages:
    13
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Jim
    Vehicle:
    2009 Tacoma Reg Cab 4x4 2.7L 5 speed
    Thanks gearcruncher, The mechanic told me he hardly ever sees broken motor mounts on the
    2.7L but he does see broken trans mounts. I think if I order it and it's not broken I can get my
    money back since I'm ordering parts from the dealer.
     
    gearcruncher likes this.

Products Discussed in

To Top