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Old Man Emu setups on 1st gens

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by kyle39, Feb 19, 2011.

  1. Apr 23, 2022 at 4:15 PM
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    Might be that the 881's are for a heavier front end over the 880's. I have a aftermarket tube bumper and winch with the exact same set up and it's pretty much 'fine' but no Cadillac ride. But it was worse with the old spacer lift and beat shocks it had previously.
    But lots of opinions here. Bilstein Lifts told me I should be fine with the 881's so I went with that. so...
    (V6/Auto 4X4)

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  2. Apr 26, 2022 at 9:43 PM
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    I’ve got 881s on Tundra 5100s. I like them. 3rz, plate bumper, and winch add up to 50# over 5vz weight.
     
  3. May 8, 2022 at 5:28 PM
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    How do you like your setup? I just ordered 881/5100 and concerned they might be too harsh on the road. I have a first gen with 31” tires.
     
  4. Jun 12, 2022 at 9:20 AM
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    Adding this for anyone interested in alignment specifics. All of the following were done at the same time, zero miles on anything, including tires.
    BFG K02's 265/75/R16
    Spidertrax spacers 5-1/2" x 1-1/4"
    Dakars, 882 coils front.
    Delphi OEM style upper control arms from rock auto;
    Whiteline LCA bushings; OEM steering rack and OEM tierods;
    OEM upper ball joints and OEM lower ball joint.

    Upper control arms are maxed out as expected. Here is the best that was possible according to the alignment shop:

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  5. Jun 12, 2022 at 10:56 PM
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    Find a new shop.

    That is a piss poor alignment. They didn't touch the caster and that much negative caster is no good. It looks like they never touched the LCA cam adjusters, which is where all of the caster adjustment is done. I assume your cam adjusters are not frozen since you replaced the LCA bushings.

    It is important to note that OEM UCAs cannot be adjusted for an alignment. I've never heard of the brand you used but if they are OEM style, there is nothing adjustable on them.
     
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  6. Jun 13, 2022 at 9:21 AM
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    I’ll have to take your word on that, I know only the basics on alignment charts. what I meant was that the 882’s have maxed out the sitting angle of the uca with these tires. The delphi branded upper control arms are identical to oem, completely non adjustable as you said.
    The cam adjusters control both caster and camber on these trucks, so I assumed they wouldn’t be able to correct that much caster without losing the camber.
     
  7. Jun 14, 2022 at 12:00 AM
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    If your cam adjusters are working correctly, the alignment tech should be able to get a little positive caster without hurting camber. The more lift you have does make it harder to get the caster higher, but they should be able to get between 1.5-2° positive.

    It's pretty obvious your tech chose not to touch those adjusters as the caster numbers from the before and after readouts were identical. If the camber changed very slightly, it is only from adjusting the toe and the steering wheel being centered.

    If it were me, I'd call them on it. If they choose to do nothing at that point, find a shop who will do the alignment correctly.

    FWIW, caster is what gives the truck a great driving feel. The higher the better. Personally, I like +3° of caster. With it that high, no more buffeting from side winds or when passing a semi and the truck is unfazed by ruts in the highway. I'll bet right now yours is very twitchy at highway speeds.
     
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  8. Jun 14, 2022 at 7:12 AM
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    I need to take my GX back then. It’s all over in winds after they aligned for the lift on it. I didn’t get a print out. Same shop I have always used that’s done me right.
     
  9. Jul 1, 2022 at 6:57 AM
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    Pic of the 04 Prerunner with OME 880's/nitros in the front and Dakar/nitros in the rear

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    How many miles do you have on this setup? I just installed dakars and 2881’s. Mine has just a little more rake than I’d like.
     
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    Just got them on recently so not many miles, have some rear rake too, but thinking will settle down a bit with the camper shell. I was debating if I should add the extra leaf at one point which would of been higher.
     
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    You may have to preload the rear some then. Those 881s are stronger than the 880s but once the strut tops out, well, it’s topped out. I have heard of people using a couple of those heavy QuickCrete bags in the bed to bring it down until the leaves settle a bit. One, or two, on each side between wheel well hump and tailgate. Depending on your location the overnight dew or just humidity can cause it to ‘set’ and it will mold to the ridges in the bed better.
     
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    2881’s and standard Dakar leaf pack. 285/75/16 KM3’s on stock Enkei wheels.C2730EBC-1EC9-42A6-9522-651180AEBA9B.jpg
     
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    OME complete suspension kit along with JBA upper control arms. 881's in the front Dakar without AAL in the rear. Definitely a different ride, really happy with how it turned out.
     
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    Before - stock suspension all around:
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    After, OME Front - 880 Nitrocharger Sport Coilovers, Rear - Dakar Leaf pack + rear Nitrocharger sport shocks
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    I'm not happy with the massive amount of front rake. I was hoping for closer to a 2 inch rake but I'm between a 2.5 - 3 inches height diff between the front and the back. I also did not get the advertised 1.5 inch lift in the front, I gained 1 1/8 inch on the drivers side and not even an inch on the passenger side. The driver side with the trim packer leaves me at 37 inches fender to ground and the passenger side is 36 3/4 fender to ground. I thought I would be closer to 37.5 in the front.

    Any Ideas why I only got an inch lift up front? I replaced stock coilovers.

    As for the rear, I'm sure it will settle maybe a 1/2 inch or so, especially once I get a camper shell on it. I think I need to go for the 881 coils to get back to level/1 inch rake right? Pretty sure the 883s would be way too high up front for what I'm trying to do. Any advice is really appreciated.
     
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    880s are more for the 3rz trucks. I’ve got 881s on mine with a 3rz, plate bumper, and winch. But using middle setting of 5100s. For the rear I’ve seen where people get a couple of big sacks of concrete and place one on each side of the bed between the wheel well and the tailgate. Sort of expedite the settling process. The topper will help as well. If it doesn’t settle lower in a couple of weeks then you can look for a shorter leaf shackle.
     
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    Looks good. Yep, 881s would've been the the way to go. You would not like 883s at all with that stock front end.

    I chose the 881s and Dakars w/AAL for my cap. OME recommends if you're going to be carrying 200 or more lbs then to AAL.
     
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    Thanks for the advice. I think I'll throw some sand bags in the back and drive it around a bit and see how it settles. I'm not expecting more than 1/2 inch of settle but I think if I switch to the 881s I should be much closer to level.

    Thanks, I definitely think I need the 881's in front thought to get rid of some of the rake. Ive seen others get 882s for added height but I don't want to be squatting. After the 881 isntall if I still don't like the rake I can get shorter shackles or pull the overload leaf I think.

    I wish I was more careful when choosing front coils. I was reading the thread for the 4cyl/reg cab where everyone was telling OP to go for 880's :(. Maybe I can get lucky and find someone nearby that wants to buy my old 880 springs. I'll post pics after I swap the 881s. I did the original lift kit install over a couple weekends but i'm taking the tacoma to a local shop to have them install the 881s. I don't have a spring press and I'll have to get an alignment anyway.
     
  20. Aug 27, 2022 at 6:40 PM
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    I swapped from stock coils on 5100s to 881s on 5100s after my bumper and guessed wrong. Ended up compressing springs manually 3 times in maybe 45min. Not fun cause my air ratchet was not cutting it with my tiny compressor.
     
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