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Please! Need Help with a scam

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Chance03, Nov 19, 2019.

  1. Nov 20, 2019 at 5:23 PM
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    05Taco4x4

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    Man, not even Friday :popcorn:

    My question to the OP is, how did you find out it was a fake title, when you attempted register it with the state?

    My second question is, who is smart enough to purchase a vehicle with cash (35k) but dumb enough ...
     
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  2. Nov 20, 2019 at 5:26 PM
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    there was another short but sweet friday thread you might have missed, I'll go back and tag you in it so you can do a quick read through.

    and something something fool and his money parted quote lol
     
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  3. Nov 20, 2019 at 5:58 PM
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    On what basis would the IRS allow that? I don't recall a bad deal line item on schedule A. And even gambling losses can't exceed your winnings.

    Pretty much true.

    But I still don't believe we know all the story. And may never. But I'm willing to wait a while. 'Cause this is a first.

     
  4. Nov 20, 2019 at 6:08 PM
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    I'll bet slightly less then OP paid that it started off simple enough. Naive OP paid cash to a random from the internet that is one of those bogeymen from the stories and the reason VIN checks and notaries are a big part of private sales. Then he realized he'd been duped and called the police. They took his info, said sounds like a civil issue but we'll look into it. Next he called the lender who said "Due to federal privacy laws we can only discuss this loan with named parties." Normal humans (who would have done a bit of homework before a 35k cash purchase) would have called a lawyer as 35k is outside DIY territory but OP did *cough* other things.
     
  5. Nov 20, 2019 at 7:49 PM
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    Wonder how it will turn out? Ouch
     
  6. Nov 20, 2019 at 8:24 PM
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    How much cash did you pay for it? There's no way you paid $35k cash and are willing to "actually buy it" again.
     
  7. Nov 20, 2019 at 8:50 PM
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    Chance03

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    Vin check and inspection were done. All clear. He had just bought it so the title hadn't even been registered with the bank yet ( no lien on vin report) Checked with dealership that truck was bought from in his home state and was reassured he was the purchaser.... like I said we know who he is and so do the cops but it’s a waiting game for me if it’s even possible for his state to try and bring him in( unlikely) and potential of extradition is still on the table but low. We have a lot more information on him that will be helpful once we either pursue civil or criminal Charges... if nothing comes of criminal we will just fly out to where he lives and deal with it that way but I’ve been informed by the cops to stand my ground in the mean time which is getting to be way too much time. Hence TW for maybe a solution we haven’t thought of yet.
     
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  8. Nov 20, 2019 at 8:53 PM
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    Was done as soon as I got back home. ( couple days after purchase) was told title was real but a picture of it not actual title as another one had been issued after it. By this time burner phone was thrown away and there was no way to contact seller. The bank holds the title but isn’t willing to talk to me about anything.
     
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  9. Nov 20, 2019 at 9:18 PM
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    Traveling across state lines with the intent to commit a crime is a federal offense, have you provided all the info you have to federal authorities to attack that angle?

    This is why you should pay an attorney, this is literally what they do for a living. Instead of asking random people on the internet, ask a professional.
     
  10. Nov 20, 2019 at 9:46 PM
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    Exactly right.I was a recovery agent for 15 years quite a while ago. By law they cannot talk to you about what in Fl. is called I think Chattel Collateral and it being in someone else's name. Ust to be in Fl. chapter 818 I think a law about removing, concealing or dismantling collateral. But they have a protacal to follow as far as it being enough behind, but there use to be a clause in contracts that if property was not insured or in danger they had the right to recover. So I don't understand them not doing something. Unless they are waiting for whats called Barge Ins. is added to the loan that way any damage will be covered to them. Thats all I have. Good luck.
     
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    #1, talk to a lawyer.
    #2, stfu until #1 is done and you are expressly told that it is ok to discuss potential legal action by/against you.
    #3 NEVER, EVER put on an open forum that you are trying to figure cough out cough a way to cough make some money on what may infact soon be noted as a stolen vehicle.
     
  13. Nov 20, 2019 at 10:43 PM
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    Next time you have $35k burning a hole in your pocket, take yourself to a Toyota dealership and buy a brand new truck. From a dealer. That sells them. Legally. With zero miles on them.
     
  14. Nov 20, 2019 at 11:46 PM
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    OP you need to put a storage lien on the truck. At this point its abandoned property since the bank the owns it won't do anything with it.
     
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    Hmmmm, a storage lien on what is essentially stolen property. I bet that’s probably not gonna work.
     
  17. Nov 21, 2019 at 5:34 AM
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    I think the very beginning of the story is the part that everyone really wants to hear. What conversation went down during this transaction? You find a private seller of a brand new truck, wanting to do a cash only deal? What story did they tell you on how they acquired a brand new truck with a clean title? And then what did they tell you to make it appear like they didn't like their brand new truck, with no liens, and that a Craigslist deal was a perfectly logical method to unload this property? Because that must have been an absolute humdinger they used to make the sale, to make all of that seem legit.
     
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    Since the sellers name is on the title, it seems weird to me that he would sell the truck in this manner. He must know that he is the one responsible for paying the bank for the truck. Sounds like this isn't actually a "scam" since the seller isn't really gaining anything from this. Unless, although his name is on the title, he isn't the one paying the loan (maybe a parent is paying or something?) and sold it behind their back?

    He didn't really steal the truck since his name is on the title. Although from what I understand, he could have it reported as stolen if he uses the money from OP to pay off the loan and have the lienholder removed from the title, hoping to have the truck recovered and causing a huge clusterfuck. But realistically, it sounds like its just some idiot who knows nothing about selling a vehicle with a lien... for all we know, he plans to or has already paid off the loan with the cash from OP thinking that he can just have the bank send the title to the buyer?

    IDK, i'm just trying to figure out what the seller has to gain from this? aside from causing a huge headache for the buyer... if it is a "scam", hes the worst scammer on earth
     
  19. Nov 21, 2019 at 6:03 AM
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    How much money actually was handed over during this private transaction for this truck?
     
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    Lets also not forget that all of this was accomplished so fast that the Lender hadn't even gotten a lien on the title yet. :facepalm:
     
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