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Precious Metals New Thread 2.0

Discussion in 'Stocks & Investments' started by shr133, Oct 30, 2015.

  1. Oct 30, 2015 at 7:38 PM
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    I'm starting a new Precious Metals thread... I tried to bring back an old an old thread but it got taken over by anti PMs trolls, so I'm starting my own thread....

    There are 3 main reasons to buy PMs...
    1. for trading/investing
    2. to own physical assets
    3. to hedge against the dollar
    Because the PMs trade is not here yet I will mostly post about the other 2 until I see the trade come around....

    I will be posting information that relates to PMs from supply and demand and geopolitical information that effects PMs...

    I will also be posting from the alternative media because PMs investing is not mainstream...

    I don't sell any PMs I only buying... I'm trying to help people by sharing what I've learned about PMs...

    I will also offer tips on buying physical PMs from my experience...

    In a nut shell PMs are running short, demand is up, but prices are going down, so it's a good time to buy... Palladium and silver are both going into negative supply this year... Platinum and gold are both bought 100%... Of these gold is the only PMs with big inventories, but is also held as reserves to back the currencies of the world.

    Mining is also getting hit hard from the low prices. This year we are seeing a decline in PMs mining and new mines because the prices are so low. When the price goes up this will cause a lag in inventory because of how long it takes to get new mines on line.

    PMs are the real money and currencies represent your portion of the PMs... But the currency supply is growing much faster than the PMs stock piles and in most cases the stock piles are gone..

    The PMs trade only started to make sense from 2002 that's when the stock piles started to run out and we had a gold standard till 1973.. So PMs prices were fixed for the first 200 years of our nation... But we still had huge stock piles that got used up over the next 30 years... We used up 1000 years of silver stock piles in 30 years to build all the electronics needed for our country...

    It is recommended that you have 5%-10% of investments in PMs during good times, these are not good times...

    So you can invest in PMs for the supply and demand cycle or as a hedge against fiat currencies.

    Bottom line is the dollar is at the end of it's life cycle and it's time to start planing...
    Best case we will have high inflation like in the seventies and PMs will be a good hedge against inflation and falling dollar...

    We have run away debt and no one in the gov is doing anything to fix it...


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    The labor participation rate is the lowest it's been in 35 years...

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    But some how we are at "full employment"

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    Silver to gold ratio is also out of wack making silver the better buy...

    The mining ratio is 8.5 to 1 but the price is 75 to 1...

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    Definitions I will be adding some very important definitions to help understand PMs investing...

    Bail ins
    Capital controls
    Currency / Fiat currency / money
    Debt
    Derivatives
    Financial repression
    Naked Shorting
    Physical Asset
    Reserve Currency
    Tangible asset
    Third party risk
    Trading Cycles
    Unfunded Liabilities
     
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    How to Buy PMs.......................

    There are 6 ways to invest in PMs...
    1. buying physical PMs coins or bars ( best way )
    2. buying 90% silver coins ( best way )
    3. buying numismatic coins ( good way )
    4. buying PMs ETFs ( worst way )
    5. buying PMs mining stocks/ETFs ( good easy trading )
    6. buying PMs Trust Co ( very good for trading )
    Most of what I talk about here is buying physical precious metals because currently that is the best buy if you want PMs... Trading PMs stocks or ETFs could be more profitable and easier to trade but you are taking the same risk as investing in the stock market so you are not diversifying...

    Buying physical PMs is easy and low risk. You can buy from online PMs stores or your local coin store. I always like to support local business first.

    There are many options when buying physical PMs and I have just about every version of physical silver there is. The thing to remember is resale value, you have to buy silver that will be easy to resell and hold a good value.

    The best way to buy physical PMs are national 1oz coins. The american eagle is the easiest coin to resell and holds good value. The cheaper generic coins don't have the same resale value as an American Eagle or Canadian Maple Leaf.

    PMs bars have less resale value and the buyer may want to test and or drill the bar to verify it's content, both will reduce the value of the bar..

    There is no way to currently replicate the size and weight of a 1oz PMs coin. So you only need to measure and weigh a coin to verify authenticity. So 1oz are the safest way to buy and sell PMs.

    Next is to have a coin that everyone can recognize and have faith in like the eagle, maple or 90% coins. Those are your go to PMs coins that will hold value over time. If in the future if you have to sell to a coin store they want name brand PMs that they can resell. If you buy generic PMs you may only get spot price - x or melt value, that could be a 10-20% difference in resale value from a name brand coin. Now 90% silver coins have numismatic value and are going for more than name brand PMs coins. An American Eagle sells for $20 a 90% silver dollar goes from $25 to $400 and they don't make any more and a lot of them have been melted down.. So good coins have higher premium but they as get a higher premium when you sell them and they sell faster.

    Numismatic coins are tricky, but they are name brand PMs coins that have limited production, some will have higher future value some will not. I only like a few coins, I like the kookaburra because if you buy early you only pay a dollar more but you get a capsule and after a year or 2 they will get a 50%-100% premium.

    ETFs are funds like SLV or GLD that are suppose to hold PMs the problem will be if there is an audit and they don't have the amount that they say they do.
     
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    So to kick the thread off seams fitting that the Yuan will be added to the SDR basket of reserve currencies....
    That means that the world will need less USD and more Yuan, this is about the 5th step in replacing or minimizing the use of the dollar...
    For us that could mean inflation and loss of purchasing power on imported products.....

    This will be sidelined in the news because of the terrorist attack..........

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...-chinese-yuan-sdr-basket-wall-street-responds

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2015/08/yuan-and-sdr
     
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    If you understand this you can start to see why PMs should be part of your investing plan...

    Non-Dollar Trading Is Killing the Petrodollar -- And the Foundation of U.S.-Saudi Policy in the Middle East
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/petrodollar-us-saudi-policy_b_6245914.html

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...m-now-settling-all-crude-sales-china-renminbi
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    Fiat currencies always fail, 100% of the time.......
    The current USD is 42 years old and at the end of it cycle...........
     
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    Prices are good right now...
    Buying the dips are the way to good...
    I ordered some last week..........
     
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    I got 20 ounces a few weeks ago thinking it bottomed out, it was like 30 cheaper last night lol :frusty:
     
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    Yeah that happens, I held out because they do this all the time, they let the price jump up and than smack it down again....
    I know we are close to the bottom so anything under $30 is real good but around $20 is stupid low....
    I just keep stacking every month...
    I think when it does take off it will go really quick so there won't be a lot of time to add more after, so get want you need now....
     
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    How long u been stacking? How much do you have? I'm fresh off the assembly line, just 20 ounces so far
     
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    I've been stacking for about 5 years so just before the last big jump... So I've seen a lot and learned a lot about PMs....
    I have a good stack going and I have a few different coins....... I have some gold but mostly silver...

    I buy from local coin stores and APMEX because they ship fast and have different coins for less...
    There are other guys I should buy from but they are like the Amazon of PMs....

    Here is a sample of some of my PMs...
     
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    So we have another good buying opportunity in PMs for physical PMs.......
    It may still be too early to trade PMs stocks and ETFs...
    But the physical price is about bottomed out again.....
    silver eagles are still 19.29, maples 18.67, kookaburras are 20.02, gold 1182, and palladium maples are out of stock....
    This seams about as cheap as it gets for physical PMs....
    So if you want PMs this is a great time to buy, while the price is low.........
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    Steve I like your enthusiasm and all, but what makes you think the trolls from the previous thread won't just follow you?

    If they do follow you my advice to you is to just ignore them, do not respond at ALL. There is no point in arguing with them, you can't change their minds/opinions anymore than they can change yours.
     
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    I know, I'm sure they will be back...
     
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    Yeah just keep buying these dips and put it away....
     
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    So Russia blows up 500-1000 isis oil tankers supplying turkey and today Turkey shots down a Russian plane and now we say we stand behind Turkey...???

    I thought we were fighting isis????? Guess not........ We are defending the petrol dollar not fighting "isis" and isis does the dirty work...

    Maintaining all oil sales in the US dollar is the only value the dollar has left.... That is what is really going on....

    Syria is the fight for the petrol dollar, Russia, Syria, Iran and China against the USA....

    Losing Syria will allow oil to be sold out side the dollar, making the dollar of no importance in world trade....

    Regardless of the outcome in Syria the Petrol dollar is at the end of it's cycle and will continue to have less of a role over the next few years....

    Like the 70s this will rear it's head with high inflation but will be blamed on war or something....

    So part of your investing plan needs to be hedging against the dollar and high inflation.....
     
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    Swiss go to negative rates, some accounts here with all the fees are a negative return.........
    Savings accounts are high risk with no return..... With national banks you take all the risk with no return....
    alternative methods for savings should be in your plans...

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...-there-applies-negative-rates-retail-deposits

    They are making it harder and harder to plan for retirement...
     
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