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[Preventing] access to the Event Data Recorder?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by tirediron, Feb 5, 2019.

  1. Feb 5, 2019 at 5:34 PM
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    tirediron

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    Like [I assume] a lot of people, I'm not particularly pleased about the fact that these trucks have an EDR installed, but... nothing I can do about that. What I am hoping that I can do do something about is preventing access to it without my permission. I know some vehicles connect through the OBD II data port, and others have a separate port, usually tucked up under the dash somewhere...

    Does anyone KNOW what the case is with the 2018s? If it's the OBD port, that's easy to secure, if it's something else, where and what does it look like?

    Thanks!
     
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  2. Feb 5, 2019 at 5:36 PM
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    Not sure I understand the dislike for the edr, what's your rationale? Real time broadcast of information I understand, but just an edr I don't understand.
     
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  3. Feb 5, 2019 at 5:38 PM
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    What I don't like is the ability of people to potentially access the information. Not saying it's reasonable, or rational... just my think. For instance, if I was involved in an accident, my EDR data could potentially be accessed by police without my permission. This could potentially be detrimental to me....
     
  4. Feb 5, 2019 at 5:44 PM
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    What state do you live in? Many states already have laws protecting the information and require either a warrant or consent
     
  5. Feb 5, 2019 at 5:46 PM
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    Buy a quality scanner and delete recorded data .



    Slow down it's a truck lol. Just teasin.
     
  6. Feb 5, 2019 at 5:47 PM
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    EDRs dont work like that
     
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    It's not a separate box that you can disconnect or pull a fuse for. My suggestion if you want to avoid an EDR ratting you out is to carry a capacitor and frying the electronics in your truck after an accident. Or setting it on fire.

    Besides that, big brother is watching, 1984, big brother, etc.
     
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  8. Feb 5, 2019 at 5:51 PM
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    So is there a market for “clean” EDRs now? Kind of like clean piss for drug tests? :anonymous:
     
  9. Feb 5, 2019 at 5:51 PM
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    I live in BC; the laws surrounding these are still rather murky at the moment. My intent is NOT to disable the electronics (out of concern for what that would do to the truck as a whole), but rather to secure the port if possible. For instance if it's just a random port coming out of a wiring harness tucked up under the dash, fab up a little aluminum box and lock it shut, if it's the OBD port, than insert a dummy plug and secure that with a lock and strap. Not fool-proof, simply an idea that I hope I will never need to prevent access without my express permission and presence.
     
  10. Feb 5, 2019 at 5:54 PM
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    In CA, at least, law enforcement needs to get a search warrant to access the information.
     
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    Data retrieval is through the obd port. The data can also be retrieved straight from edr modules that may be located in the ECM or airbag SRS with adapter cables. So just cut off the obd port and jb weld all the connectors to the modules so they can't be removed without destroying the connectors.
     
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    Seems excessive, if you were doing something illegal or not doing something you’re supposed to be doing and it caused you to have an accident they should be able to fry your ass using whatever evidence they can legally obtain. Trying to obstruct that will only make things worse for you.
     
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    Try a tinfoil hat?
     
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    Data can still be retrieved regardless of all methods mentioned here

    Even total burns can have data retrieved with the right tools
     
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    I hope everyone realizes I'm kidding :rofl:
     
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    I smell something potentially illegal happening here. The only reason to want that data deleted is in the event you were doing 80 in a school zone when you plowed into that bus full of war veteran nuns.
     
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    I don't have a problem with it. In fact I have a front and rear dash cam installed in case of an accident. I don't drive like an ass and I follow all the laws, so if I am in an accident i want them to pull all the data they need. The most I ever go over the speed limit is 5 over, and that is not going to be enough to hang someone, because the speedometer is not 100 percent accurate anyway. I even have a front and rear camera with GPS installed on my motorcycle. Just the other day I was on my bike and a cop pulled out of a gas station and got behind me. I know he was waiting for me to do something stupid, but I kept it no more than 5 over the limit and he followed me for just over 3 miles and then got bored, so he switched lanes and went around me. I waved at him as he went by and he just kept going.
     
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    If LE really wants the data in a criminal prosecution, they can send the modules to the appropriate company and get the data out of them.
     
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