QUICK oil change question

Sigh...

First of all I didn't quote anything your way, or remotely have anything to do with you, or the discussion on the your pressurized engine oil topic - so I really don't know why you are making a deal about it towards me?

Obviously the engine oil is under pressure while the oil pump is functioning. How else would it leave the pan on the bottom and reach the top valve train? No I don't take my truck to be serviced, I do everything myself and have the documentation to support that should Toyota inquire. I don't want to write Toyota's manuals, but I have found misinformation in those as well as unnecessary steps in some of the procedures - if anyone wishes to know.

Just as you feel an individual has the right to present their opinion, you should also realize that the original poster of a question also has the right to correct information - therefore if incorrect "facts" or "opinions" are presented - they should be disputed for the benefit of the individual seeking the information. Unfortunately "opinions" don't always correctly fix a vehicle, but correct information and facts do.

The bottom line here is the OP asked if he could simply swap a filter on a 4.0L V6 engine the next time he had the opportunity. In short, yes he can - and no he don't need to remove any engine oil to do so.

 

Yes, the filter is in an ideal place....makes me wonder why other manufacturers don't attempt to do the same. Oil changes are deintely a lot more practical and enjoyable on the Tacoma.

 

Well, you should have answered his question, and we could have avoided all these 40+ posts, The bottom line is, a person asked a question, and people offered opinions, a discussion ensued and a lot of information was provided, for those of us that don't know everything it was informative. I think by reading the posts the OP received good information on his question. I think you should contact Toyota and point out their mistakes!!, as you stated we have the right to the correct information, I'll bet they would be happy to hear from you, Doc

 

I did, post #27.

 

Wow .... this certainly has been an interesting read ......

 

For such an easy question I'm surprised there were so many different opinions.
I read a few posts back about putting some oil in the filter before installing to prevent a dry start-up. Is this a standard practice when doing oil changes? The reason I ask is I've never done this and have had vehicals last over 300,000 miles with no oil or engine issues (1988 4Runner V6.) Does anyone bother to put any oil in the 2nd gen V6 filter before installation? Seems to me with the small amount it would hold it wouldn't matter.

 

I on't add oil to my filters before I put them on for obvious reasons, it would come pouring out as soon as I inverted the filter to install it . The residual oil remaining in your engine after draining the oil is usially suffice when yo ustart it up after an oil change.

 

I never recommended to the OP that he specifically drain the oil on this truck. He was looking for a quick fix and was worried about any oil in the top of his motor coming out with his filter. As, no one had yet told him if any oil would come out when he removed his filter, I made a GENERAL comment that all you need to do is drain out a little oil and pour it back in after, to insure this was not a problem.

Looking back i could have been more clear on this. I was not trying to miss inform and more important the information I gave out would have caused no problems.

Steviestyles i want to thank you for correcting wrong information when you see it.

 

I was thinking more about the oil that get's held in place by the anti drain-back valve. I've read other's reasons for putting oil into the filter before installation is for oil pressure purposes during start up but it seems to me after doing a oil change the engine wouldn't be pressurized anyway so why bother...am I missing something?

 

If your engine has a vertically installed oil filter that allows you to pre fill without making a huge mess, it doesn't hurt to do so. It also doesn't hurt, according to used oil analysis (UOA) to install the filter dry. The amount of time with zero oil pressure is so negligible that apparently according to sources it doesn't even show up in a UOA.

Pre filling of filters (fuel and oil) is more common on larger diesel engines that have one or more filters that have a capacity of several liters each. Obviously the amount of time to fill several filters of a 1/2 gallon capacity each would result in oil starvation for the engine. Most of the filters on consumer vehicles contain such a small volume it fills nearly instantly.

 

Well looking back at your previous posts, you actually did recommend draining oil on 2 occassions. All has been cleared up now. This particular circumstance may not lead to something disatorious, but had this been a different topic it may have been. As Fortech pointed out earlier as much as we feel inclined to give our opinion on something, people come to TW to look for ways to do things so they don't botch it up, or a better way of doing it. Hopefully lessons learned from all of this for everyone.

 

I'm with you, I've never added oil to any filter on any vehicle I've owned and never had a problem. It shouldn't be an issue as Fortech pointed out earlier on our trucks.