SIG Sauer Mosquito: DIY Removal of the CA "only fires when magazine is in gun" thingy

still does not make any sense at least to me.

i have a few glocks i have modded with a few things from glockworx but i took a glock armorers course and made sure i was familiar with my particular weapon before attempting to replace anything.

also the mods i did did not violate any laws. either way like i said it's cool he figured this out i just didn't think it was correct to post on the interwebs

 

maybe try another 22 cal? unless i'm mistake while sig makes a very nice piece the mosquito is not one of there finest. i have actually read a bunch of terrible reviews of the gun. try one of the ruger's they are a very nice 22 cal this is what i'm buying when i pick one up in a few months

i recently got my wife into shooting and she wanted the pink mosquito but, the ruger while it's not pink imo it's a much nicer 22 cal pistol.this is the one i'm picking up for the lady and myself so we don't go broke shooting .45 and 9mm all the time lol.
http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/models.html

 

ibtl lol

 

As a responsible firearm owner, I see no purpose to this modification. I am NOT a gunsmith, I would not drill holes into any of my firearms or take it apart beyond the extent of cleaning. As for certain ammo not feeding correctly, I would change ammo. Seems to me an easier, less labor some fix than loading one round at a time.

 

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Interesting. Never heard that before- and all the guns I carry will fire with no mag in them.

IMO, this isn't needed for LEOs, and I have a hard time beleiving this has anything to do with law enforcement. As others have said, 4th gen glocks dont have this and neither do either of my sigs- and both manufacturers make a lot of money off government/leo sales.

If you can free up your hand long enough to reach and grab your gun and hit the mag release, go ahead and draw it, pull the trigger and drop the suspect.

 

Yeah I don't think its a feature for LEO's either because LEO's are exempt from having to buy the guns with these features.

I think someone said it before, its probably to avoid negligent discharges from the idiots that don't check the chamber after removing the mag as they are stripping their gun for cleaning.

That being said, I am pretty sure this modification is not illegal. These features are just requirements for guns now being added to the handgun roster in order for them to be sold to normal CA peons.

You can still buy handguns without this feature if they were on the roster prior to this rule, but from now on if a handgun manufacturer wants to add a new handgun to the roster it must have this feature.

 

It was originally designed for leo, some makers produced service pistols with that feature and many departments went with them because of it. Originally leo in those departments were trained to drop their mags if they were ever in a struggle so the perp could not unholster their pistol and use it on them.

 

Not arguing with you, but I've never heard of this. Especially not in Florida.

Can you tell me where/what departments issued guns with this feature?

The union down here would start a riot if this was pushed on officers- in my opinion it is un-safe.

It may be good for civilians or idiots who forget to check for a chambered round before messing with their gun, but for LEOs this is a bad thing.

I was taught that if you were able to keep count (which is unlikely in such a high-stress situation- for cops that is) its best to drop your mag before you run out of ammo, that way you bypass the need to chamber a round- which takes time and could lead to a jam if not done properly (again, due to the stress). With that said, if you do it this way, and for some reason you cant get a mag in the gun, you need to be able to fire that one round thats still in there.

Based on the way your post is worded- it sounds like you have it backwords- I know there are guns with this feature- but I have never heard of any service weapon that had it. Glock, HK, Sig Sauer, S&W(as far as I know), Springfield and Beretta's that are made in service calibers (9mm, 40, .45, 357sig) do not have this feature.

 

A lot of misinformation in this thread, hopefully things can be cleared up.

First off, I am more familiar with CA laws. It is not illegal to remove a magazine disconnect safety from a firearm you legally own so long as you are not manufacturing an "assault weapon". Removal of magazine disconnect safeties, loaded chamber indicators, etc. do not classify a gun as an "assault weapon".

California introduced the new law in 2006 requiring that semi-auto handguns must have the above two features in order to be placed on the roster. The roster only applies to firearm manufacturers that would like to sell their new handguns in CA. The roster does not apply for handguns that are legally owned in CA and would like to be transferred. People who legally own handguns with magazine disconnect safeties can remove them, and sell them in a private party transfer. The roster does not apply to LEO's. And LEO's can private party transfer to non-LEO's their off-roster handguns.

As far as if removing said safety will void manufacture warranty, probably. There are also lots of threads in this forum explaining how to modify trucks that would also void manufacture warranty. Is this thread different because it deals with a firearm?

Could removing said safety open up a lawful gun owner to civil liabilities? Possibly. The magazine disconnect safety law for the CA roster was most likely made by "knowledgeable" politicians to prevent negligent discharge of firearms. It is catered to the irresponsible gun owner that does not know how to clear their gun. If the gun was modified without the safety, but used in a self defense situation, I don't see how it can be a legal issue. If the handler had a negligent discharge and hurt/killed someone, then I can see it being a legal issue. And I am all for the negligent handler to face the legal consequences.

Modifying this safety is no different than changing the caliber of a handgun. Does changing the caliber change how safe a gun is? No. A lawful gun owner can easily change the caliber of their handgun by compiling a couple of parts. Is this any different from buying a kit? Some may say so. Would it be any different if the OP had a gunsmith, armorer, or bought a kit to remove the safety as compared to doing it himself? Some people think a kit sold by a company trying to make money is different from them doing something DIY.

You can compare this modification to modification on our trucks. Is buying a solid tube front bumper any different from making your own? Depends. Some manufactures do "engineer" their bumpers. Others just build them. Same concept with the firearm modifications. Can changing a bumper to a sturdier tube bumper open someone up to civil liabilities? Possibly. It probably is a violation of DOT laws. So is many other modifications. If I was killed in a side-impact collision because of someone's bumper modification, then it can probably open them up to civil liabilities.

What is the reason for the safety? Most manufactures sell handgun models with and without the safety. Many manufactures develop their handguns with the safety to be able to sell to states such as CA. Some owners like the safety, others do not. The safety can prevent negligent discharges as said above. It can also prevent a lawful citizen from defending themselves if a magazine was not in the gun. The safety can save LEO lives in a weapon retention situation by dropping the mag. It can also prevent a LEO from defending themselves if a magazine was not in the gun. Whether or not the safety renders the gun more safe is up to the individual.

Some people think it is a bad idea to tinker with the internals of a gun. They may be right. I think it depends on the level of the tinkerer. Some might say valve adjustments are a piece of cake, others won't dare pop a valve cover off. We won't know the intelligence levels of others over the internet. Doing said firearm modification may or may not be a good idea for certain people.

Take this information for what it's worth. I'm not a lawyer. Or maybe I am, how would you know? As always, you should take everything from the internet as nothing more than a grain of salt.

 

The famous Browning Hi-Power introduced the magazine disconnect safety. Other manufactures started developing handguns with the safety for various reasons. Like everybody else, LEO's also debate on how useful a magazine disconnect safety is. LEO's do not have a universal opinion on the subject. Attached is a photo of a California Highway Patrol officer in a scuffle with a subject trying to grab his gun. Notice the empty magwell and the mag on the ground. We do not know if the Chippie purposely dropped the mag. But, the CHP chose the S&W 4006TSW as their issued (and only) handgun to be used which has the magazine disconnect safety.

 

That picture has got to be staged for training purposes, cuz that snap shot could never be taken here in Florida.

First of all, the officer probly wouldnt be in such a compromised postion if he didn't do the wasted movement of reaching for his gun and removing the magazine- instead had he used that arm to knock the guy on his ass- or better yet- reach for his taser and use it- the picture would look alot different.

Also, how does the mag leave drop out of the gun if the officer is upright?

There is so much wrong with that picture that I dont really know where to start...

 

well ummm why is this still on the open forum and not deleted and locked