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Starter Hell!

Discussion in 'Technical Chat' started by kgw, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. Jun 12, 2018 at 6:04 PM
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    I spent all afternoon, after sawzalling the exhaust brace off (!) , using my 1/2" air gun on both starter bolts! I likely spent an hour on each bolt :frusty:...They are still on tight :help: Damn!

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  2. Jun 12, 2018 at 9:18 PM
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    Well, the bolts are soaking in PB overnight...Heard mention that the aluminum block and the steel bolts fuse good sometimes! I know about aluminum and steel from my sailing days, but I actually didn't know the Taco v6 block was aluminum, thought it was just the heads...
     
  3. Jun 13, 2018 at 12:01 AM
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    Bolts are in the Aluminum Bell housing

    Even here in the great Brine belt my bolts broke loose easy
     
  4. Jun 13, 2018 at 9:46 AM
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    So its the bell housing, ha! :mad: I'm in SoCal, but the truck's PO used to tow it behind an RV, so who knows where it's been...It does have a very clean chassis, so who knows why they are stuck. If they come out, I'm putting teff-gel on the threads: prevents this from happening between steel and aluminum. Just about to do battle :smokertransformer:
     
  5. Jun 13, 2018 at 12:18 PM
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    Absolutely nothin'! I'm reduced to making sure I have the right bolts!! Yes, I do...:goingcrazy:
     
  6. Jun 13, 2018 at 12:20 PM
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    btw, don't the bolts just pass thru the bell housing on their way to the starter?
     
  7. Jun 13, 2018 at 4:16 PM
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    So. Shall I bust out the 3/4" air gun? It's a lot bigger and will likely be harder to position, but! maybe it will be able to pop these suckers out!
     
  8. Jun 13, 2018 at 9:10 PM
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    Good god man. One hour with an impact. I'm surprised the head is still on it. If you go 3/4" you may indeed rip it off. Keep after it with penetrant and persistence. Maybe some heat cycles too. That suuuuucks!
     
  9. Jun 14, 2018 at 12:00 AM
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    All I ever used is my 3/8 ratchet .

    You are going the correct way sometimes being upside down it does get confusing .

    Just what engine and transmission ?
     
  10. Jun 14, 2018 at 7:43 AM
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    Yes, snapping the heads off the bolts is not the way to go! More torch (MAPP torch) today, and more PB will be the cheaper way! Yes, I'm going the right way :cheers:, although sometimes while using the 1/2" gun, I will accidentally do a quick reverse... ;) 5vz engine, and the 340F auto. Ah well, after a leisurely cup of coffee, it's back at it!
    Thanks for the help, btw!
     
  11. Jun 14, 2018 at 12:51 PM
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    It might be the Automatic transmission Never seen one close up and in person I have no idea

    Best of luck by now I would have cut the heads off and yanked the starter out.
     
  12. Jun 14, 2018 at 8:44 PM
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    This afternoon, I put the torch on the bottom bolt, and it spun right out with the air gun: cool! The top bolt, not so much !! I found no way to get the sawzall near it, perhaps if I removed the sway bar...:censored: Or get a longer cold chisel. I'm getting beat up on this one: its "Pilates for Shade Tree Mechanics."
     
  13. Jun 16, 2018 at 4:03 PM
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    Still whittlin' on the top bolt! Took off the sway bar so I could get a bit closer to the bolt. Been sawzalling, and chiseling for a while today: just about to hit it again after a respite for lunch...
    Back at it! Got the bolt head diminished mightily, so I used the Dremel with a cutoff wheel to get the remnants of the flange :woot: Now I can actually wiggle the starter motor.

    Going to see if I can get the starter pulled away from the bell housing a bit, because with the bolt still attached to the starter, I'm not sure I can pull it all the way out! May have to sawzall the bolt a bit. Hey, I'm making headway! :turtleride:

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    The diagonal from the lower left corner is the sawzall blade, with the last 1 1/2" on the bolt head :sawzall: Space.The.Final.Frontier.
     
  14. Jun 17, 2018 at 12:46 AM
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    Did that truck come from the Rust Belt or spend days parked in the surf??

    I never had a starter bolt that hard to break loose.
     
  15. Jun 17, 2018 at 8:47 AM
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    Hehe...It looks, on top and underneath, like you would expect a southwestern urban truck to look.
     
  16. Jun 17, 2018 at 1:48 PM
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    At 12:40pm, a day that will live in infamy:
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    I got the damn bolt out! :curls:

    :yes:
     
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    Replaced the contacts and plunger, and will go get mounting bolts in the morning. I am not inclined to get the case-hardened bolts that I "took out." Just grade 8...any objections?
     
  18. Jun 17, 2018 at 7:59 PM
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    BTW, the threads in the starter did not seem to be the issue, but the bolt heads against the aluminum bell housing on the other hand...Plus the troublesome upper bolt has the exhaust tubes a mere 1/2" away.
     
  19. Jun 18, 2018 at 5:23 PM
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    Happy to report that the Taco is up and starting! Replaced the contacts and plunger...
     
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